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Jhunts, See what I mean? Rules state angles can be set beyond 17 degrees, height is 8-10 feet with a recommended 9-1/2 setting. Distance flight up...

don't forget to take a pic of the DLS HOF exhibit, please.

I guess if the Pro shop remains open, everybody can sit around, drink beer and complain about how the BOD and EC of the ATA ruined trapshooting by...

Sorry, but government has the tendency to come back and bite you in the butt when you are not looking. I would suspect it is a ploy to rid the...

Okay, let's say just for discussion you are right, the 10 degree allowance applies on either side, increasing the limits you described. You have...

ok, but I guess the point that 17 degrees is minimum, will have to be repeated many times before people come to understand the "3 hole setting" is...

Smoking357, I read what you said, but I also understand what you did not, meaning you consider criticism of DLS's plan as disrespectful. His...

He is a delusional troll.

Gary, the rulebook says targets are to be set a minimum of 34 degrees wide, MINIMUM. with an allowance of 10'degree variance, meaning a club can...

Like I said, you are delusional, meaning you cannot separate fact from fiction, A handful of members cannot take over any organization against the...

Smoking357 I think you are of the delusion the majority of the 28,000 or so membership of the ATA agrees with Doctor Longshot, when the reality is...

"38 yard doubles being thrown".......??? Again from ATA rule book: "In doubles shooting, targets shall be thrown not less than 44 yards nor more...

User 1 just repeating what he said in the article. I provided quotes from all the contributors to be fair.

jhunts, Forgot to tell you, if this will help you understand. I don't care, at all what the speed of any target is. I just want it to fly 50 yards...

jhunts, I think you have your preconceived notions and no amount of discussion is going to change that. Again, look at the rule. Target "speed"...

Back to the article: Mike Hampton, over 50 years shooting ATA, one time Shoot Director for several years at Sparta. Written by Hawley: "It's his...

One more time, speed is irrevelant to target setting. Use the stake. If you can't use a stake because of a drop off in front of the trap, then use...

Same article. Chuck Elton, owner of Golden West Industries, expert on Both the old 1524 and Pat traps, pointed out the old 1524 were harder to...

Hap, My club does not set them except with the stops on the Pats already set and the height marked with white paint on the height lever and the 50...

Source: TrapshootingUSA. July-August 2015 Article: 2 Hole or 3 Hole Targets Author: Sean Hawley ( with guest contributors ) He writes about the...

All your questions can be summed up with one answer. The settings are made in print with minimums and maximums and anything outside either is an...

Jhunts as to the min/max angle setting, all I can do is refer you to the rule where it states the minimum is 17 degrees from center, using stakes...

Okay, I'll retract the reference to 8-1/2 feet recommendation, but 8-1/2 feet is a legal target. What we have here is a discussion where some what...

Yes, you are correct, I mis-typed 48-52 instead of 49-51. I included the link so people would not just take my word for it and could look it up. No,...

I thought the Great Yardage Reduction Event of the year ....whatever, was initiated by a well known champion trap shooters do delegate and approved...

If you were to read the ATA rule book which is online, settings for handicap are the same for singles. There is no difference in the settings. It...

Lady T, I am not, I have shot it, it's fun. I'm telling you about other people's choices and that is the correlation I am trying to make to ATA...

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No it's not funny. There are evil influences here, mostly from those who in the last 30 years snuck across our borders from California and New York....

I live in Arizona and Colorado Go to the web site that lists clay target ranges, you will see very few places listed for either State. Out West it...

BTW, It is very difficult to entice newbies to trap when more and more clubs decide to close their clubs to the public for non ATA trap shooting....

Don't forget to take a picture and post it of Doctor Longshot display at new HOF showing all his accomplishments and contributions for a lifetime of...

Lad T, No it's not sad, the club members don't care for wobble. Why is that a sad thing? ----------- Jhunts, fine! ATA is not losing shooters,...

jhunts, I am not the one complaining here about losing shooters. It's , Lady T, Smoking357, Doctor LongShot, family Guy and others," because the...

Jhunts, N1H1 posts a graph every once in a while that shows a decline in numbers of Grand attendance for a couple decades, before the chance in...

Butterly, You really do not understand that I'll let you think about it while I go reload some shells.

Butterly, ATA trap has been losing shooters long before the targets became easier. Everytime someone tells me they are giving it up, it is because...

Lady T, There is nothing wrong with your ideas for change, but they are not new and are not going to happen because only 1,000 people agree with...

If "Garry's Invaders" have to make that horrendous 10 hour drive to IL it will take them a week to get there. Besides the 4 or 5 overnight stays,...

Have to agree with DLS on this. The fact that 100% of new trap shooters are shooting perfect 100 straight from the 16 by their 2nd shoot, 98 of 100...

N1H1, You forgot to mention your tail.

Now that is funny, but you have it reversed. Have the lower class shooters pay more, the higher up, pay less. That is from the Cook County playbook.

Sorry to disappoint another you, but I have shot 5 Stand, SC, skeet, learned how to shoot on a wobble and faster, wider targets as well. Improving...

Lady T, The main problem you have as a new shooter is getting caught up with fantasy, myths, superstitions, lies and other falsehoods passed on to...

Sometime when clay targets replaced glass balls which replaced live pigeon, the handicap came along as another shooting game, but it was shot from...

JUST MORE BS, different smell.

Entirely impossible. Grow up.

Family guy, I normally have you on ignore, and I do not have to justify myself to a blowhard like you. Your type of nonsense is just as...

BS, smoking 357, Lady T claims she has been shooting trap for less than a year, but acts like she knows more about it than any 100 of us who have...

Same goes for any of your followers and like thinkers too.