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You say get the money out, why? A pro league requires sponsors, which sponsors require media exposure for increased market share. When even trap...

Ah, WPT, I love you man.

Soaking357, I mean it's pretty obvious, your ahaunting and alurking too, as does WPT.

SmOking 357, you said : "Spare us the references to what off-topic, trolling, trashy belligerents elsewhere say." Yes you do enough of your own...

And you have every right to say it. I don't agree with everything the ATA does all the time either, but some act like it is the end of the world....

No, he is innocent, he is from Ohio. He was under the evil influence of Lynn Gibson who was minding his own business at the time. Just like the...

Yes, I am a new shooter, since mid 70's when I joined ATA, but got confused about what you are saying and WPT was posting. Makes no difference it...

Perhaps so WPT, but our very popular form of trap shooting evolved from live bird shooting. Your comment would seem to endorse the concept of the...

So did Lynn Gibson have complete autonomy to chose Sparta over all other sites and the Board of Directors consisting of elected State delegates had...

Money has always been in trap, over 100 years before the ATA came about. Big money is supposed to be in live pigeon trap, but not known to me first...

Yeah, maybe true, but if you are offered a free Bently, a free Cadillac or a free Volt, which one you going to choose, not knowing you could only...

Would I need a passport to go there?

Actually the title of the thread is erroneous, somewhat. Money is seldom "awarded" at a trap shoot unless it is added money by the shoot host or a...

Smoking 357, that is more agreeable than what I heard, kissing DLS's butt at the beginning of each porch shoot.

Sounds like a worth while project. BUT, no site is worth consideration unless they are willing to hold the Grand. Which of your named locations are...

You should have an option of "No, but would shoot less and travel less."

One should never admit to anything.

Flyersarebest, You should not post stuff like that, it sounds like an admission short sided planning.:D

The moving and trucking companies?

They do not show on my I-Pad, seriously. I had to go to the trouble of pulling up the satellite photos myself. You did not think that through...

How about an actual satellite photo instead of a line drawn map? The map maker might be a Sparta hater and pro Ohio, thus leaving out important...

Smoking357 what have you heard or imagined you heard?

My reference to the IRS was in regards to unlawful activity. As to everyday business to "promoting the ATA" I leave that up to the judgement of the...

Leonidas, smoking357 left off part of his post where he meant to say ".....a major metropolitan area in Ohio......."

Signs are like trapshooters, they don't always tell the truth. Let's wait for some substantial evidence.

Well, good for you. And a BTW for you. The books are always open for the IRS and they look very closely at money coming in and going out at a tax...

Well, that may be, but politics is what it is. That is why people need to get involved and attend whatever meetings and or conferences are open to...

OH NO! Update to follow. Stay tuned for possible bad news you Sparta haters.

Rosey There is a good example in Butterly's post of the semantics you were referring to in another thread. They may not say it is a terrible place...

Jo2, I suspect jhunts missed that part in the rule book that states targets are to be set during still air. The shoot in Tucson was stopped,...

Rosey, You asked how the BOD obtains and welds such power and makes decisions. The BOD is made up of the Delegates. Did you read the bylaws in...

If you want to know "how these people get into the position of power," read the rule book to see how delegates are elected and what the EC is. I...

Well, I am glad you finally figured that out. Personally I think the wording of the rule is confusing and could have been made easier to understand....

There is no "significantly outside normal"'that is acceptable. The settings as defined in the rule book are what are acceptable and as pictured in...

Smoking357, Have you shot the event today or on a later squad?

Supreme Court Justice, Potter Stewart, 1964, Jacobbellis vs. Ohio......of all places. Might be before a lot of people's time to remember that one.

Hell, we were lucky to see yellow domed targets. Most what we shot were all black.

For those additional uninformed, a judge once ruled on a porn case that it was like art, you knew it when you see it. I attempted an analogy of that...

Thanks DLS, exactly what I am saying. Targets should be measured whenever possible and a field property staked out, whenever possible. I don't know...

Well, DLS, you coulda fooled me. I always thought hate was like porn, you knew it when you see it. Perhaps you might take the time someday to...

Phil, can you take a post a picture of DLS' display in the new HOF for Porch Shooting and Most Old Man Pissin'' Contests Started? Smokingsomething...

DLS, Oh, so it really is about money and not the glory, huh? Figures.

Whoa, smoking, that was a pretty snappy comeback.

My complaining is not about losing the Grand. I cannot lose what I never had. It is about the low class people who hate the ATA, yet say they...

See what I mean people? Just in his own little world. Still bitchin' about it 10 years later, but telling you he and the rest of them got over it....

Well, when one is removed by one thousand, 1500 or 2000 300o miles when it was in Ohio and just 300 miles less in Illinois, for those in the West,...

Thank you very much.

Can't edit it. Time limit is 6 minutes. Maybe it is a Freudian slip? I really want the Grand to return to Ohio. I like messing with the minds...

They are all depressed with the thought of losing the Sparta complex and the Grand possibly returning to Ohio.

I am defending the ATA organazation as a whole, all States and all Providences from a bunch of outsiders who do not belong to the ATA yet attack the...