They told a couple of the vendors sometime after September 16th. Have you heard September 1st for sure. I think they have leagues running into...
Latest word I'm hearing is the WSC will still be shutdown in September but may not reopen until Spring. This will save money and will allow IDNR more...
Renewal of Sparta WSC campsites has been extended until December 31, 2015. I have a suspicion renewals aren't the first things shooters are...
Before the WSC can reopen after its September closing an undetermined amount of money will need to be available for initial expenses. Currently the...
BD was afraid? Well I guess that will probably take care of today's entertainment. I don't know the story behind the remark so now I'll have to stay...
Jest, jest - things get so stupid you've gotta laugh just to keep your mind off all the negative things currently happening.
Ah! It seems the WSC has hit another snag. The NEW PLAN was just about set to be unveiled when a young college graduate recently hired by the State...
Roger you're just to darned pessimistic. You do know the ATA has a plan? Now the IDNR is also working on a new plan. So therefore we now have two...
Those pesky construction costs sure run high in Southern Illinois. I gotta believe the gentleman that donated the large sum of money must be...
Update - my friend believes the Feds guaranteed part of the bonds issued in some way. Didn't get a clear explanation. Regarding the facility managers...
Don't know any more than I posted I'll try to talk to him tonight and ask him if he can tell me more. Actually I was hoping someone here might know...
Not sure he just said that if the state closed the WSC the Feds would get involved as they helped with the underwriting of the bonds to build it....
I understand but I was told by someone who works for the state of Illinois that the Feds were involved and there were things that needed to be worked...
Another problem the ATA is facing is the campsite leases. The ATA pays the IDNR for all the sites whether they are leased or not. Many are not...
There is one wrinkle the state will have to overcome if they close the WSC. The federal government was involved in the state issuing of the bonds to...
Just heard the IDNR is still planning on reopening the WSC once the budget and their new management plan is in place. Also heard that Dean Townsend...
Take the emotions out of it and things look bleak for Sparta. This was the last year of the ten year leases and it was still only up 900 entries from...
2015 - 30,077 entries versus 2014 - 29,180 entries. Up roughly 900 entries. Looks more like a 3% increase.
It'll be interesting to see how the attendance at the Cardinal Center is. I have a feeling it'll be good hopefully the weather will be better than...
This years Grand attendance was essentially the same as last years. This was the last year of the ten year leases so there were some shooters who...
Several reasons can be offered regarding the decline of registered trapshooting but I feel competition is a big reason. If you have two shooters who...
In the last twenty five years or so I think we've seen the slow demise of ATA registered shooting just as society has tried to make everyone happy....
If shooters want to move back in handicap let them shoot their way back. The thought used to be that you earned your yardage by demonstrating your...
Geez N1H1 - me saying there were a couple sites Tom refused to consider is a far stretch from saying I said Tom was keeping sites secret. But as you...
It's always been a competition but a lot of shooters felt the competition was better when they could bet a couple of bucks on themselves and be...
There was talk of 4000 to 5000 shooters per event and 50000 to 100000 shooters and guests attending every year. The closer it got to opening the...
Seriously, if you're a shooter who's been around awhile you remember the money and the competition even at the local clubs. These shoots were not the...
OK there, lets not start saying I said something I didn't. I never said anything about Acklin keeping sites secret. I said that the EC decided to go...
N1H1 - I'm saying there was discussion among the EC members regarding a one year gap with no Grand to gain more time and look at other options....
OK, I made a couple calls and I was wrong about the date. It was 2002. EC was Phil Wright, Tom Acklin, Dave Kaiser, Tom Arvas and Ken Duncan. N1H1...
While it can't be proved because he's no longer with us. I discussed this with Tom in front of the Hall of Fame. Yes, he dismissed it immediately...
N1H1 while I admit I might be off by a year I can say without a doubt their was discussion regarding no Grand for one year and what the repercussions...
The head of the IDNR met with the ATA leaders and said that they want to make some changes in the way the WSC is managed. So while he said it will...
AZCO. Take a breath your overplaying your hand a little bit. There are some of us who are not and were not in agreement with past ATA decisions but...
AZCO you must be a newer shooter. He had nothing to do with the ATA in a position of responsibility back then. He was running his own business which...
At the time this was going on many shooters advised them not to jump so quickly due to the anti-gun sentiment in Illinois and the poor location far...
We might end up right back where we were 10 years ago. One thing I remember very well was conversation about a year before Vandalia closed. The EC...
The sign was put up for all to see but it is not official. There is no agreement in place and they are still trying to get meetings scheduled to get...
Another great point! Rauner probably thought he had things under control then he gets outfoxed by a sign and he never thought about calling "No...
"THE PLAN" is complete, done, over. They have declared victory and announced the "2016 Grand American" with a sign prominently displayed for all to...
The sign is up for all to see, yet they are still holding meetings to decide the future if there is one. I believe the establishment has decided to...
Wonder who made the decision as the budget still isn't resolved. Looks like someone decided to override the Govenor.
Remember this is the last year of our ten year leases. I'm pretty sure a decent number of shooters are attending because it's the last year on their...
Yes, yes, definitely moving in some direction! Right direction, ahh, wow, that's a tough call. I mean they have a PLAN. As Sundance once said, "you...
Obviously at this point everything is a rumor but I've been told the ATA plan if they get to stay is to raise campsite fees and vendor fees....
Relax - they have a plan.
What are the qualifications to discuss Sparta?
Looks like they're up over a hundred shooters in today's singles.
Well the Grands off to a good start only down a handful of shooters through the first three events. About 41 shooters
For years I've pretty much always thought that no matter how the message was delivered Brad pretty much hit the nail on the head. When this turmoil...
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