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I get what the championship thing is all about. I've stated my opinion on the results as well. Arthur references 'class' so I was considering his...

So, let me get this straight. Classify based on that day's scores. So let's say I'm a AA shooter. I miss a couple early and know it's going to...

The same basic rule is the 2005 rule book that I have in my desk. It is a different number IV.D.3 and uses a reference "shoot up". Otherwise it's...

Only SCTP shooters competing in their State SCTP championship and/or a few other shoots are required to join the ATA. If your team requires their...

My money would be on one of the ATA big dogs. Give them a couple weeks after the Grand to practice on these targets. Maybe they miss one or two on...

Oleo, If I read the article correctly, the ATA gave him the life membership. However, according to the Shooter Info Center he does have 1000...

Garry, I think this is your answer..

Thanks HB for the more thorough reporting of what I started. I'm not 100% certain of what the chart the ATA put out, that you've included, is...

1968 - no summary in the book. 311 pages of shooters with a max of 110 per page. 1969 - no summary in the book. 327 pages of shooters with a max of...

Roger, I don't support the ATA membership requirement. This requirement is only for the SCTP state shoots and possibly their regional shoots. I...

T Shot,Multiply the number 10905 times the cost of a yearly membership in the ATA and you will know why they are forced to join. Roger, Just...

First, I don't agree with the SCTP requiring ATA membership to participate in the SCTP State shoots. However, to state that 1/3 of the membership is...

Roger, Based on the first comment quoted above, it would seem whatever it was that you heard has changed your position on this matter, at least with...

FG, I have not changed my position. The two quotes you referenced do not contradict themselves. Why don't you put together a chart or graph that...

SMS/Dave, yes, the possibility is there that some perfect scores benefit from the FTF rule, where those targets would have been lost previously....

FG, you're question isn't worth a response.

HB, thanks for the rules references. I never doubted you, I just remember how I was trained as a scorer in the 70's. It's good to see the rules of...

FG, Do overs may result in higher scores. HB labeled it a SIGNIFICANT factor. I simply disagree with that part of it. Nothing about easier Targets...

Dave, the broken target rule must have changed somewhere between the 60's and 1975 when I started shooting. The lost target for failing to have a...

HB, most of the situations above were changed with the FTF rule. But when was a target scored "lost" when a broken target was fired at? I've been...

Has an All American qualifier (at time of suspension) ever been suspended before? I haven't, and won't take the time to look through the ATA minutes...

Roger, I'll give you Ben Berka's phone number and you can call him and get it moving. I'm still waiting for the number.

Brad, I believe the rifle/pistol events existed when the SCTP shoot was at Sparta.

Dogknott, I am aware that only those going to state need to join the governing body, was not aware that it applied to skeet and SC too. I don't...

WPT, I can think of no "legitimate" reason for requiring ATA membership to participate in the SCTP State/National events. As far as I'm concerned...

WPT, just to clarify...the state shoots I am referring to are SCTP state shoots, not ATA State shoots. I think we're in agreement on this. But,...

WPT, you implied that the ATA was acting as THE record keeper of the SCTP. The ATA cannot afford to lose more shooters, the SCTP does not need the...

FG, yes the ATA keeps records of registered targets shot by SCTP kids. That's not the same as the ATA serving as the record keeper for the SCTP....

The ATA doesn't keep records for the SCTP now. The SCTP has a very good web based system for shoot management. The only thing stored by the ATA...

I see no reason the targets should ever have been registered, but you didn't answer the question. Will the two associations terminate their...

Alabama, Do you believe the ATA and SCTP will no longer be associated with each other; SCTP state championship targets being registered, ATA paying...

First of all, I never stated that Mr Fishburn screwed anybody. I simply stated that the costs didn't go down this year with the move to the...

Brad's Friend made the comment that the IDNR was screwing the SCTP. Obviously I had thought the costs went up more than they actually did. But...

Who is "they" and what shoot are you talking about?

thanks for the correction on the 2015 numbers. Didn't have the program in front of me. But it does support the point I was trying to make.

Maybe, maybe not. I would assume there was a reason (other than SCTP greed) the target cost for SCTP shooters went from $72.00 in 2015 to $85.00 in...

Bill, Try to stay on topic without constantly bringing up the point of how many shooters/people the ATA claimed were going to be there. It doesn't...

The SCTP reported that between the SCTP (clay targets) and SAS (rifle/pistol) there were 2,369 participants from 34 states. This is about 400 fewer...

Thanks. I went and looked in my old average books. Unfortunately I have a gap from 75-86 ( not sure where those went). For many years the average...

what year(s) did the ATA have nearly 100,000 shooters?

The way I understand how this unfolded is the Club decided not to hold ATA shoots, the ATA didn't prohibit them from it. I also doubt the ATA...

I don't know how the ATA forced the issue of registering SCTP targets. What leverage did they have? Maybe they did by threatening the loss of using...

How did the ATA muscle their way into the SCTP? By muscled, do you mean the ATA convinced the SCTP to force the kids to join the ATA and then the...

Was it Mr Potterfield's intention that the ATA require all member clubs across the country to impose a $1.00 per hundred fee that would have to be...

HB, what does this mean. I'm a coach of an SCTP team. We are not subsized one penny. We go out and solicit donations etc. But I wouldn't...

because they are registered. Personally, I think the ATA should waive the daily fees on SCTP events. In fact, I see no reason for the targets to...

The SCTP sets the price for the targets. The cost of the targets to the SCTP is set by the host club.

Tuesday it rained, Wed Thur Fri it was hot. Today a mix of rain, clouds a little wind. Sitting out a lightning delay right now. Abut the same...

For the clay target events .... according to the results on sssfonline.org .... American Trap 1,828 American Skeet 861 Sporting Clays 920...