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Yes, these specific shooters averages will drop but do they have any business shooting handicap even today lol? Not sure how many of these shooters...

Broke many many 95s. Had a 94 at the Grand this year from the 22 yds. At 19 yds I should be able to break a 96 with wider angels.

Possibly the 27 yds because the common guys will most likely be on much lower yardage than they are now.

I thought wider angles were supposed to make the handicap more competitive. Guys like me would be most likely 19 yds shooters and may stand a...

I do not believe the Pro Class definition will capture all the top guns that need to be separated out if that's the wish. Pat Lamont is a full time...

Boy, I can see the torture I will get from my friends if I ever win anything big from the 21 yds line :) On of my friend who is an All American does...

Good post Roger, but how do we decide who will be in the "Pro Class?" All American first team, men and women or strictly by Handicap average from...

Brad - The next time I get a reduction I might consider to take it. I was on the 25 yds then took 2 reductions to get to the 23 yds before I stopped...

Dave - So at what average should mandatory reductions begin? If everyone is expected to maintain a 90% average then there will be a lot of people at...

All the best trap shooters in the world were there so what's your point?? We are talking about the need for more concrete based on "professional...

Dave - They gave me a reduction for an 88 average over 1,800 targets from my current yardage and I refused it. I made changes recently and is still...

Anyone care to comment on the need for more concrete based on the table below? [ATTACH]

Good idea Brad! Different angles for singles and handicap...I don't think I heard this suggestion before. Another thing they could do if they don't...

Good observation, BUT how many of these shooters DOMINATED the championship trophies or the high gun winnings?

Not when the top gun gets $6,000 instead of $30,000.

Roger, what is the wolf purse? Seems you wanted a Lewis type split but I get the impression that many would like the chance of winning a big pay...

I am not the best singles shooter by any measure but I recently had a new soft comb built and my sight picture is a little different from when I used...

Seems like a sponsorship like this might increase State attendance for that event but not much for the Grand since the shooters are already...

Was the Budweiser sponsorship more like the Championship of Champions shoot where only the best in each state compete? Just asking based on a...

Roger/Garry, I totally agree with your advice on shooting. That's the way I do it and I am still learning. These guys are retirees who shot pistol...

LOL. Please make sure they send it to Mike I....too many Mikes out there

Not sure what you talking about in relation to the IRS. The reason calcuttas are not sanctioned by the ATA is because the winnings are not reported...

Roger, I know some guys at my club who joined the ATA last year and were all excited about shooting but cannot get their singles average up over 88....

Simple, options are returned to the shooters with no profit to the ATA. Payment by cc require some sort of fee.

LOL, looks like you been doing some research. Kudos to you. I seek no favors from Kool aid land. Remember I was banned for life for speaking out...

BTW, they now accept credit cards at the Grand to cover shooting fees. You still have to pay options by check or cash. Nice to see them get rid of...

WPT, I think it is you guys that have no intention of attending Sparta that need to get over it. Who cares about your daily gripes here when you are...

Brad, given that they are not from Illinois it will be most certainly to promote the sport. I think the Grand is doing fine with almost 3,500 paid...

Oleolli, why didn't you just go back and shelter in your vehicle? Was it that far from the trap you were shooting from?

The Martins are astute business people, they know when their money is properly invested. They feel and hear first hand from the people who actually...

Roger, I understand that you are required to pay taxes on the money you earn through gambling so that's where the IRS comes in. I know major events...

I believe because the revenues from Calcuttas are not recorded on the books so winner do not pay taxes on the winnings. Some here might be able to...

WPT, calcuttas are not allowed by the IRS. That's why the ATA cannot sanction them. However, there are cleaver ways around this which you might...

They didn't shoot during the trap shooting heydays at Vandalia? What live bird shooting has to do with trapshooting which is being discussed here?

Can you provide the dummy with some names of your top shooters who don't shoot ATA? What are their averages?

The funny thing is all the bad talk about Sparta and yet all the top shooters from Ohio and Pennsylvania attend. What is it that they are missing?

Roger, the thought occurred to me while at Sparta that if the EC would be really interested in making the shoot bigger. The Grand week event days...

WPT, who knows the numbers this year might have been much lower if not for the options. The ATA should have a marketing department to survey those...

How many here thinks that entire $30,000 purse should be won by one person even if a shoot off is necessary? I think that would be a bigger draw....

Sorry, I cannot help your comprehension. Not sure how Joe made you a moderator, but it is what it is.

Oh boy!! In post #28 I clearly stated "paid attendance" and showed the "number of shooters" on an event basis. Where is the problem??

LOL. If I had a problem in maths I would be fired from my day job where I work as an engineer overseeing multi billion $ capital budgets.

I don't believe that's the only fee the ATA pays the IDNR. But I think I am missing your logic.

I can do a chart for you hope you can understand it. The assumptions here are the singles and handicap squads take 20 minutes to finish their first...

Here is the summary of the paid attendance at the 2018 Grand. Looks like a success to me. These numbers are a little more than the respective event...

Roger, I shot a 97 in handicap at least 6 times. Never a 98 or higher. I tend to do better in my later rounds. I shot many 100s in singles. Note...

Roger, shooting in the GAH is not added pressure for me it makes me more determined. How many of the top well known shooters were got paid in events...

Roger, wasn't an average shooter that shot the 100 in the GAH?? If they had allowed me to add to my options I would have played on Saturday given my...

Sorry I cannot be the bearer of terrible news. I shot with many squads on both the east and west banks. NO ONE complained and I spoke to many many...

I had a great experience! Cardinal road was not as bad as I heard on this site and the half mile portion that needs fixing is budgeted by Sparta for...