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They were set in the 3-hole at the shoots I went to. They were set that way when I set them, as I sometimes did and did at the Grand. I see no...

Stanman, I never said that 1995 was not 3-hole. The 3-hole was introduced in March, 1995 and continued until the Annual Meeting of the BOD the night...

They were 3-hole in 1995, I set some of them. I shot them too. They were 3-hole. The 1996 Grand American Handicap and Vandalia Handicap were shot...

butterly wrote: "The other thing Neil does not tell you is that the big dawgs fell on their face again at the GAH and all other shoots in the east...

3-hole targets in 1996 only cost the top 40 big dogs half-a-point in their handicap averages, as a group; the best ones were hardly affected at all....

Boy those good old days really were something, weren't they? Did I ever tell you 'bout the time...? Just start throwing a week of "Games" instead of...

How, exactly, are you going to do this with all the PAT Traps clubs use these days? How, exactly, are you going to do this with one of the few...

I voted "Yes". What do I care how wide the targets are? But my "Yes" is tempered by the fact that none of the clubs I will attend this summer will...

I shoot ATA. Non-ATA evens don't interest me and speed is limited in the events I attend so I would't go. However, if clubs want to throw...

But the MX3S you sold me, Ollie, shoots perfectly flat and I move it just a bit above that. It's a wonderful gun which is now at Wenig for a new suit...

rrisum, Your math is correct-enough. But it addresses no particular need of yours at this stage, or maybe ever. What you are trying to do is 1....

Flyersarebest, post 11: "Nothing odd about this site." Of course there's something odd about this site, Flyersarebest . It mixes up the names of...

Joe, why not take that first post down quick! The suggestion that you (or I?) (or photobucket?) might have been hacked should worry everyone,...

Here it is again: [IMG] I'm sure we all hope it says visible this time. Let me reiterate the WARNING in the table so there's no misunderstanding....

Let's roll this thread back, smoking 357. 1a. Rookieshooter wanted a list of sponsored shooters, so "he might determine if he should play certain...

I understood exactly what you wrote, smoking375. 1. You seem to think that "people" are going to watch singles shoot-offs if they are not...

For Heaven's sake, smoking 357! You have classes & yardage groups to distance yourself from all the really accomplished ATA shooters now....

In theory that's probably not a bad idea, rookie. But there is are two better ways to avoid being skinned. 1a. Invest in an ATA average book,...

Correction. The sticks were 6 feet long and 2 colors on each. So it was one color per three feet. Still it was possible to estimate to half-a-yard...

You can also tell how good a reloader you are from 13 yard testing. You have to use light 7 1/2 premium shells, AA, STS, or GM, to get a baseline of...

When I did all the testing to verify chronographs and radar guns, Ollie, an observer stood at 50 yards and had 4 painted sticks laid out from the 50...

As long as I have our attention, Mike J, you wrote "NIH1 - Looks like tightening your choke raises the POI...more pellets above the horizontal...

I'm glad to hear that about the time limit, Mike J. I don't like it because my posts are long and detailed and I often don't see mistakes until time...

Often you read that to test a POI or pattern you should shot several (up to 5!) shots at the same point-of-aim. I guess there is some idea that the...

Oops! I forget something in that last post. I didn't ever post this: [IMG] and here again is the text meant to go with it. "Now that you know...

Just a couple more points about POI and Pattern Testing at 13 Yards. I don't know if Brain® choke tubes even made a ripple here though they made for...

Say you test your single barrel and it shoots off to the side. Some would move the comb or something but then you are looking down a crooked gun and...

I a bit surprised you like it, Roger, since I've always wondered why 50/50 is an inch above the point of aim. Can you explain that? Or better yet,...

It's too bad readers here are locked out of the real world by a policy that won't let me link a whole wide treasure of shotgun-performance facts out...

Longshot: "I do not Know if Neil W. Knows that CG Trapguns & Fabarms Trap Guns have Tapered Bbls, as well as Tri-bored Choke Tubes for SUPERB...

When I do it I get a big red line which says I can't ignore a moderator. Try it yourself. N1H1

I certainly don't like the fact that a contributor here can't ignore ollie. I shouldn't have to spend a second reading or responding to his nonsense....

That's right off the website, Ken. It used to say what we both remember but no longer does. Neil

Mike, it is not exactly a plug for Winchester AA's; it's just that have been the best performers for years and so they were my choice to make that...

"FLIGHTS AND ANGLES Singles targets shall be thrown not less than 49 yards nor more than 51 yards. Distance measurements are on level ground in still...

As long as they don't try to register the targets, they can set them any way they want - or not set them all, for all I care. Likewise, if anyone...

Longshot, I suppose it was reasonable to not be much swayed by any claims at all before it was possible to do any real testing. People could say...

Is there anything anyone would like to debate about what I've posted on this thread so far? I am willing to consider any counter-evidence at all....

Longshot: "Neil you are getting a reflection/deflection off the roof at that angle, in the lower picture and it appears to be a metal/corrugated...

"either type, " not "wither type" which I can't change. Is everyone shackled as I am, with only eight minutes to make spelling changes or punctuation...

Thanks, Mike J, but in the absence of first-hand input from Phil himself, I obviously can't refer to "his" ideas. So I'll just talk about TBR (Target...

Let's move on to " The Pattern good or bad will only give you the Static results at that particular spot not before or after (multidimensional) so...

A gun reading to 1 MPH is just as good as one reading in tenths for setting targets. If you use one of the low power (cheap) gun, you have to commit...

The post above this makes so many mistakes that I hardly know where to start. Why do so many people believe any of this? It's just because...

Ron, it depends a lot on the type and quality of your laser. They are (maybe) OK if they are muzzle-mounted, but still you can't count on them 100%....

I'll answer that tomorrow when I get time, Mike, but I do have an answer about the canon. Because the cannon's center of gravity is below the barrel,...

Mike J "This video where he discusses the cannon states exactly what I mentioned in one of my post above:" What specifically did he discuss - it's...

Mike J: "N1HI said: So adding a spacer at the bottom of the stock would not lower the POI of the gun, it would raise it. Are you saying changing the...

We've waited here most of a week and no one has been able to even make a stab at explaining how changes in pitch can effect changes in...

Looks OK to me. I'm out of ideas, Mike J. N1H1