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FG, you wrote: By the way, the assertion that Pats do not stop at the extremes is wrong. Well gee that is confusing. According to you they stop but...

HB, that is a clear, complete, and useful answer. Thanks, N1H1

And I, Ollie, can't help not worrying about it. I suggest you try it; it's very relaxing. N1H1

Compare this:* [IMG] to your memory of the Trapshooting Hall of Fame Museum in its old location. They did their best there with the limits they...

Bat, the difference between a linear (Pat Trap) and circle-based (WW and GMV) traverse is that the circle-based ones move like a sine-wave. It goes...

STat, you wrote: "Entries vs shooters statistics has nothing to do with the Buckeye." but I have bad news for you. Dr. Longshot just committed...

Gary, you'd better watch out! Calling entries "shooters" will completely freak out FG and ST - and oh yes, Fab, he's just totally bonkers about the...

To save people the trouble, my addition, which I think is about right, leads me to conclude that 1. The Buckeye was down about 10% compared to the...

STaT, I suspect you to don't dare click on the ATA website just as so many here. Really, it's safe. You won't catch anything. To help you underSTand...

Riverside, the right target of a pair of doubles from a Pat Trap spins about 200 RPM (maybe 250 - I don't exactly remember) less than the left...

Total entries in the 2018 US Open held at the WSRC in Sparta, Illinois: 2631. Percentage increase over entries in the same program in 2017: 27% N1H1

You are right, Flyer. I should have written "attendance" as the ATA does or "entries" as R. J. Stuart does, not "shooters". I regret the error. N1H1

FG: "The ATA tried the silly counting scam two years ago. Shooters is for an event. Not all the events counting every entry as a separate shooter. "...

Can't anyone here read? I wrote: "Any bets?" That's a question, not a promise to enter into a bet. I'm still waiting for a reasonable offer. N1H1

What's the bet. rickyd? Take your choice of either I offered FG. Or propose another reasonable one. N1H1

Agreed, Flyer. I guess that's why the US Open specifies "shooters" for the events, "attendance" for the total count of entries in each event. N1H1

Changing what bet, FG? I wrote "Any bets?" I thought there might be some worth considering. Yours isn't. N1H1

Pick a number as I did, FG - any number at all - and you are on. Heck, I'll even take 2527 or more and give you 2526 or fewer if you prefer that....

My guess is that after today's events there will have been 2527 shooters for an increase from last year of 22%. Any bets? N1H1

That's easily checked, FG. The names of the shooters are on the website. You also have access to the shooter information center and can check, in due...

Thanks, HistoryBuff. I hope you have visited the Trapshooting Hall of Fame building at Sparta. It is a beautiful display of the history of ATA...

Since this thread is about attendance at the 2018 US Open at Sparta and comparisons with other years, as of today about 100 more shooters than the...

OK, I see that now. I misunderstood the terms. Thanks, N1H1

Go ahead, Flyer. Just don't use my name, OK? It's against the rules. N1H1

What I was talking about, Joe, is this rule: "Do not use or disclose personal names of members unless they are in the public eye." Clearly I am not...

I thought that the State of Illinois owns the HOF building should the ATA (or Trapshooting Hall of Fame more likely) move out. Not now. Am I wrong...

Sharper speed reduction, sure, Jake. But what we are talking about is a drop of 200 fps in the first 3 feet and the next 200 fps in what, 20 yards?...

jlmccuan, in US labs, it's the midpoint of the inductive screens that is at 3 feet, not the first screen. And I have often wondered about the massive...

Do you use one of them, jbailey? The promotional literature says they don't work with shot, doesn't it? N1H1

Gosh, Flyers, I thought no one could use real names around here. In fact, that's why I had to change my sign-on name. Or has that policy changed?...

Wow, that's amazing, Gary! Where did you get those numbers? N1H1

I've always had a wonderful time there; I'm not surprised that they are holding up their usual very high standards. It's a great shooting grounds run...

"unkempt grounds?" Good lord, is this all you have to worry about? You aren't there and warn us that you have been hearing the grass may not have...

Rather than "buying it now," I'd spend a while on market research. Ask the clubs in your area who have wobble traps how much use they get. We have a...

James, think of it this way. I'm in squad 1 and have finished my four sub-events in singles. Trap one is empty again so I start the handicap. Once I...

Thanks, Gary, You are doing a fine job on this. I've shot wobble doubles and it's not nearly as tricky as it sounds, but I try not to be an instant...

The owner's manual https://www.mecshootingsports.com/Content/Images/uploaded/Operating Manuals/100E - OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS VF.pdf does not...

Are both of you sure the Mec 100E throws doubles? if not, it's not an option. There is an ATA version that holds 500 targets, though. N1H1

Dr. longshot, I can't see anything in the promotional material for the Mec you cite saying it throws doubles. Gary, good for you for calling Pat! I...

Can the MEC throw doubles, Gary? The wobble PAT has a downside which is that when it's not wobbling it's the devil's own task to set the vertical...

The way to get ATA rules changed is clear. You have to get a majority of the members of the Board of Directors to vote to do it. I did it countless...

When you shoot with him, Larry, each time he fails to fire at a target, stop the squad and raise your hand and ask the shooter why he didn't shoot....

Did you tell your friend that he was a cheater and unless he quits it you will unmask him on the internet, Larry? I hope so! Remember, the national...

OK, I'll bite. What's "running the crank?" N1H1

OK, this won't be a flyer-like shoot; we believe you. But the winner will be recognized as the best games shooter on that weekend for dozens of miles...

Oh heck no. I can like the Kentucky Derby without wanting to become a horse, cant I? N1H1

Minus: The cost of targets and shells: 400 x 5 boxes of shells , 50,000+ targets, labor, wear and tear on the facility, a reasonable profit for the...

I must say, I am looking forward to this. I have never been able to interest the ATA in the technical testing of any proposed rule before jumping in...

Can you name one, Roger? I never ran into any. N1H1

Stan, the 1996 data I graphed was a full year minus the last two weeks when not much shooting takes place. That's better than the data in the...