Did Mississippi secede From the ATA or union again? (Part 2)

Mississippi lobbied successfully to change the gained yardage rules for the ATA's largest states. As per delegate from MS, they could not put together enough shooters to gain yardage. Easy yardage was hard to come by.

A score of 79 wasn't worth any yardage as they could not find 25 shooters. The ATA and attendance would be saved if only they could lower everyone's standard to 15 shooters.

This was the answer to get more Mississippians to shoot. The more Mississippians shot the better the ATA and trapshooting would be right?

So why weren't there any Mississippians at the big shoot in Missouri? Do Mississippians not like the Missourians? Are Missourians bad folk? Is it because there is no free yardage at Missouri?

 

Just one question. Why are you so intent on challenging the folks from Mississippi. How does it benefit you? Are you a resident of the State of Mississippi? Of the Clubs listed two have only 1 trap field and one has 2 trap fields. So instead of putting these folks down why are you not helping to build the sport in Mississippi. Don't bother because I know the answer and that is it's easier to complain then to get in there and put the hard work in to build the sport in that State.

 

Lady T ---you have proven you dont have a clue about the subject. I think the OP is making fun of the rule change the Mississipi delegate lobbied for that hurt trapshooting. In your ignorance of the issue you failed to notice the OP was trying to help the sport.

In my state shooters dont want easy yardage so they avoid the small clubs. You cant comprehend that? Ignorance must be bliss.

 

Lady T

Did you know the rules lobbied for by the non-shooting states brings the rest of us down to their level? Now all the clubs in my area were hurt by this. No one wants to be on the first squad when there is 15 shooters.

That makes your 88 good for a yard. It was posted earlier by Dawg that Mississippi still cannot find enough shooters to get yardarge. The rule still stands.

 

So you tell me how you help the sport by degrading the shooters from one state. No you say that shooters don't want to shoot small shoots because they will gain yardage. Well let us say what you really mean which is you are not able to sandbag when shooting at a small shoot. That is the problem. sandbaggers do not want to gain yardage. That is the real truth. Now as far as hurting anyone that is bogus and you know it.

 

Only a sandbagger would be concerned about gaining a yard because they shot an 88 at a small shoot. Now that is the truth.

 

Lady T smell some frickin coffee. The person that would be most unhappy is the person trying to get better and gets a yard for 88. If the best the poor smuck can shoot is a 88 at the 23 and now he stands at the 24, how is he now going to compete. Answer: he doesnt. He says screw this.

The rest of the shooters say the hell with this and go to big shoots only. End result is it hurts the small and medium club.

 

Davidson,
As WPT would say, "you are better off talking to the toaster!" The two closest clubs to me dont get anyone now that the 25 shooter rule was changed to 15. Whatever is good for Mississippi right?

 

Just more proof that people are sandbagging. Don't want to pick up that yard and get moved up in yardage. So why do people even bother competing. What are they scared of?

BTW Mississippi has a grand total of 19 Trap fields according to the ATA. Just 19. One would expect an effort in that State to grow the number of Trap Shooters and available Trap Fields would be a primary objective of all ATA Officers and Members but judging from what I see on these sights that is not the case because the vocal ones are against the State of Mississippi because their lobbying endangers the sandbaggers in the sport and heaven forbid we do that.

 

Yes, Mrs. T, you would think that the primary goal of Mississippi would be promoting trapshooting in the same way Ohio, PA, and the rest of the successful states have done. You would think growing the numbers would be primary before making the successful states change their marketing plan to match the unsuccessful plan of Mississippi.

The lobbying of Mississippi did not endanger the sandbaggers. Anyone that is dumb enough to get a yard for a 88 is not a sandbagger.

We are not against Mississippi. We are against their failed marketing plan. Our plan worked. Their plan failed. Being that there are more failed trapshooting states the majority suffer. OH or PA have as many shooters as 15 other states combined.

Mrs. T....in your infinite wisdom you would have us adopt their failed policy. In the end OH and PA will still have the shooters. They will still be breaking targets. They will not spend money at the small shoots. Mississippi shooters (all 12 that show up) will not earn easy yardage as they still have failed to get even 15 shooters to their handicap shoots. Not even 15!

And not one went to Missouri!

 

SO tell us what are these shooters afraid of. Are they afraid of picking up yardage? Are you saying they won't shoot singles or doubles? Seems like BS to me.

 

Lady T
The purpose of the handicap system is to handicap. You get handicapped as you earn yardage. An 88 is not earned yardage. It is very complicated for someone with less than a keen sense of the obvious.

Tell us how well the plan has worked so far for Mississippi. How many Mississippians are making the trip to other shoots? We changed the rules so they would have more shooters. Where are they Lady T? Where are the new clubs that would spring up to service all these shooters? As of now they have a trap for every shooter.

Please brag about the Mississippi rule successes.

 

Family Guty

You know this Ohio and Pa. shooters are special and we rule ( Ohio and Pa.) is simply BS and arrogance on your part and you need to get off of it. I'm quite sure you do not speak for the Trap shooters in those 2 states but your rhetoric and degrading statements directed toward the shooters in the State of Mississippi can only alienate any future Trap Shooters from the ATA and drive present shooters away.

Family Guy let me remind you that the ATA is more then just the States of Ohio and Pa. or have you even noticed this. Not all of us have a large number of clubs were we can go and shoot a shoot that will have 25 shooters or more in a handicap event. I see at least 1 shoot in my area that will have that many people shooting a handicap event and that is the Zone shoot held here otherwise for me it's 2 days on the road and 4 nights in a hotel at a minimum. So this rule helps people in locations like mine otherwise I'm spending larges amount of time on the road and a large amount of money staying in hotels just to get a yard in handicap. That is a burden that people will consider when shooting ATA trap. They don't have such burdens that I know of in the other shotgun disciplines.

As far as Miss. shooters not attending the Fall Handicap in MO. all I can say is I doubt I will see any Ohio or Pa. shooters at the Texas Zone II shoot at the end of the month.

 

LadyT...Actually the surrounding area is most of it. Borrow doc's Walmart calculator and do the math.

It must have driven all the Mississippi shooters away. Don't see many traveling as promised. 1 shooter for every trap in the state.

That is due you your area's failed attempt to market trapshooting. Not ours. OH, PA and the surrounding states here in the heart of trapshooting have done great. Why try to lower their successes to the Mississippi standards? We have the successful plan, with or without the ATA.

Hint: the purpose is not to "get a yard in handicap". If you want a yard shoot a 96. That is earned yardage and it might even pay money at a decent shoot. If you can't afford the motel call the ATA and ask for yardage. Cost twenty five cents.

If you think it will be tough to find an Ohioan , or PA shooter at the TX Zone shoot, trying finding a few from Mississippi.

 

You are just not going to get off your arrogant position are you. In fact since Ohio and Pa. are both cold weather states whereas the State of Mississippi is a warm state and not likely make a trip to another warm state. I would though expect to see Ohio and Pa. shooters shooting the Texas Zone II shoot since it ends a few days before the Tucson Autumn Grand starts which BTW is only 5 hours up the road from here. But hey my guess is the competition will be too much for you and you would not ever show up here.

 

Good luck with the Zone shoot you are traveling to. We have meat shoots around here on the weekends that are as big as that zone shoot and many of those things you call a satellite grand. We don't have those satellite grand things around here. We just have big shoots. And we don't need the ATA or grand crap to attract shooters.

Despite the big numbers in OH and PA, registered shooting is a small part of the total number of targets thrown. Almost an after thought. We have leagues bigger than the satellites.

And guess what....we don't have to drive 5 hours. Don't have to leave the state. Not even the county. I can walk to 2 clubs.

Tell us some more about your area's marketing successes. 12 shooters in a handicap event? Good grief!

 

Then why in the world are you so concerned about an ATA rule that you really don't care about or impscts you in any way. Why do you choose to denigrate shooters from another state when ATA registered targets are not your concern. Are you doing this to just be an ASS because if you are you are doing a bang up job of it..

 

Lady T,
You just don't seem to grasp the concept of the issue on how this affects us in successful shooting areas. I will try again.

We like having competitive shoots. We hate the idea of the easy yardage to occupy the 27. If you have that then soon you have people that want easier targets since they cant handle their yardage. Those that cant compete dont play the money. No monies = no shooters. Sound familiar?

Easier targets means too many ties. Too many ties means too many shoot-offs. Again the pot gets split too many ways and that hurts attendance. Sound familiar?

These stupid votes by delegates that do not understand trapshooting have nearly killed the sport. This would all be OK if Mississippi could show their wonderful rule made a difference.

As per your name calling, I can only guess you learned that from the worn out place.

 

Yea the name calling I learned from this site and the other one too.

 

So family guy how do you square your argument with the fact that the minimum number of shooters was 15 up to 2012 when it became 25 for 3 years and then drop back to 15. Seems 15 shooters was just fine until recently and after a short trial run of 25 they went back to 15.

As far as hurting anyone it doesn't.

 

It hurts the mid size clubs for all the reasons stated above. Complicated for you isn't it? We can do it the way that made Mississippi so damn successful this year, or the way the states that have been successful want to do things.

What the hey, Mississippi, is up to 12 shooters in a shoot in handicap which is down from their projected number of 15. Sounds like a great plan right? Don't forget to tell me how many Mississippians show up for your Zone shoot.

If lowering the number to 15 is good for yardage and they cant get that then why not 7?

You do the math. I am going to talk to the toaster. (get well WPT)

 

At my club you see some guys hanging around the registration counter waiting to see how many shooters there will be. I wont say what stay they are from.

They sorta linger around and if not enough show up or too many out they go?

 

Maybe 20 years ago ..... now, not so much. "Sandbagging" to "win" a plastic duck doesn't interest many "Sandbaggers", or any other sane person that values their money.

 

They sandbag to win the money when playing the options. This can only be the reason for not shooting a smaller shoot.

 

Actually one would not expect anyone from a warm winter state to make the trip to Tucson whereas the Snowbirds from Ohio and Pa. would naturally stop here as the the Zone shoot runs from Oct 28-Oct 30 and Tucson a 5 hour drive away starts on November 3.

 

Your reading comprehension could use some help.

"Sandbagging" to "win option money" is something that is a distant memory. The "ATA" cured that ailment by killing the patient. The "patient" is Trapshooting for "money" if you need some help with the meaning.

Hacking your way to the "27" and hoping that by some miracle you learn how to shoot, is not something many intelligent people find interesting.

 

Boy I don't know who this girl is but she has made all y'all look like fools.
Funny

 

Being made to "look a fool" is bad ..... almost as bad as where "she" goes to talk to ACTUAL "fools".

It is possible some people find things "foolish", when their cyber-chat post numbers far exceed any Trapshooting accomplishments.

 

My conversation with a toaster provided more intelligent information than anything LadyT has yet provided. I see she knows from her vast experience managing a gun club exactly what shooters demand-sure!

 

And here I thought that your new medications were helping you Ollie. Guess you have to go back to your mental health provider and get them upped.

 

I was released years ago. I see you're still being treated!

 

Now oleoliedog, Play nice we should not hurt a ladies feelings. You will get a call from the political police. Roger C.

 

Rodger C, you seem to be on the wrong site. Wrong headed fools can be addressed without repercussions on this one!

 

Oleo, Just trying to be a gentleman as all trap shooters are. I also have a bridge for sale, Roger C.

 

All the MISS. shooters had to do was shoot a score of 96 or better and they would have had the yardage they wanted. That works even if only 3 of them show up. Maybe we should make room for all of them on the BOD they seem to have the smae vision that will make the sport great again. Roger C.