Why I don’t miss the ATA

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  1. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    For those of you that have a little trouble with math. Grab your Walmart calculator and figure out the total won. On a 10 cent denomination, $2.50 bet, actually, the last bet on this machine.

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    PS: Shamus, the machines at that carousel behind the Buffalo machines you were playing. After playing Friday, Saturday and Sunday we were up $2800.00 so we decided to go back Tuesday with $170.00 in free play. Used the wager saver and it landed the bonus to start.
     
  2. Shamus

    Shamus Active Member

    That the best you could do.
     
  3. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Thanks
    Actually it wasn’t the best for the day. I hit another one for $1,140.00 and a Fire Link for $800.00
    Then we left.

    For the folks that don’t get it. He asked me that because he has one jackpot a little under that and one over that himself.
     
  4. Santafe

    Santafe Member

    I don’t miss the ATA because it’s for the elite wealthy shooters, and is slowly dwindling down be cause most of the shooters were blue collar middle class that are being priced out of the sport. And younger shooters with a mortgage and family can’t afford ATA shoots and just shoot practice and league shoots for a lot less and just have a good time. You need younger shooters to keep the sport going.
     
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  5. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    IMG_2300.jpeg A few more reasons. All from yesterday, 6/14/25
     

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  6. TMX199

    TMX199 Active Member

    This year at the PA state shoot I had do desire to shoot. I don't enjoy ATA much anymore. I'm in penalty A class for singles but shoot low A class scores and when you need a 99 or better to
    Win I don't find it fun anymore. I enjoy talking to friends and other shooters
    And helping coach a youth team and whatch them shoot at the PSSA events. My wife and daughter love
    The camper at the PSSA so I said if I have to shoot ther to keep the camper I need a new gun!
     
  7. mikeod

    mikeod Active Member

    protecters and oakleys cheap and fun with no commitment always !!!!!!
     
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  8. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    All on 6/28/25
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  9. Flyersarebest

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  10. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

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    BTW, that first picture? That was $11,777.30
     
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  11. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Gotta love those same six numbers IMG_2620.jpeg
     
  12. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Those six number plus one more

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  13. Pull

    Pull Member Founding Member

    And I thought trapshooting was expensive...
     
  14. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

  15. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    I miss the Labor Day pigeon shoot since both Hegins and Valley View are no more.
    But this is almost as much fun.
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  16. bobski

    bobski USN Retired Range Owner

    i would think its the same outcome.
    some win, some lose.
    mostly lose?
     
  17. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    And some win a lot more than they lose.
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  18. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

  19. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

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  21. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Just another weekend shooting registered targets. NOT!!!

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  22. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Damn, I made a mistake in my addition. I thought we were right around $40,000.00 for the year but it’s more like $46,600.00
    So far!!!! LOL
     
  23. JSKOLAR1

    JSKOLAR1 Mega Poster

    Congratulations on letting everyone know your the best slots player out there.
     
  24. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Not hardly. There are people that actually quit their jobs and playing slots is how they make a living.
    Google is your friend.
    Thanks for the kind words though. I didn’t know that EVERYONE read my posts.

    And after checking all 763 of your posts thanks for using the site to do nothing but sell or buy.

    Nothing wrong with that since you are paying the site to do it.
    Just an aside, it’s you’re, not your
     
  25. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

  26. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Over $50,000 in hand pays in 2025
    Great year, and I didn’t give the ata one cent
     
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  28. rrisum

    rrisum Mega Poster

    Don't shoot ATA at the Wisconsin state shoot. But make the trip every year. Slots are 30minutes away and can catch up with old friends.
     
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  29. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    This one is for rodbuster and reitz


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  30. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    Wow, if you're beating them that bad, I can't believe they haven't kicked you out yet.
     
  31. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    You started off this swipe with the word IF
    Here’s an IF for you. IF you would like to make a wager yourself I’ll bet you ANY amount you feel you can afford to lose that I have won that much. I’ll PM you a picture of our tax return with those numbers on it.
    And then you can post that I actually did hit all those machines. I’ll wait

    IF you had any idea how casinos and slots worked you might not have used the word IF
    Why would they ask me to leave? I’m not doing anything illegal.

    Not only would they NOT ask us to leave, they use “comps” to invite you back. We haven’t paid for a room, food, or drinks in 40 YEARS!!!! 4 properties in Vegas, 12 in AC, 2 in NY, 2 in PA, 2 in WV. And 2 in OH. 13 years in a row to the Atlantis in the Bahamas. The rooms at the Cove tower are $1200-$1500 per night. 5 comped nights minimum. The last trip I took $6800.00 to gamble and had to have my wife carry $6000 while I carried the other $5800 so one of us didn’t have to claim anything.

    Comped airline tickets, cruises, front row seats at concerts, televisions, jewelry, $1000.00 Raymond Weil watches, $400.00 shopping sprees, and more casino related merch than I can even remember.

    Yeah, IF
     
  32. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    Well, I understand that they are in business to make money.
    Most people understand that hitting jackpots is not the same as beating the casino.
    So, "beating" would be the operative word. Or maybe you and I don't define "winning" the same way.
    So, "if" you could man up and show the "net", I won't "swipe" you anymore. Lol
     
  33. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    So, after starting with “IF you won”, you don’t want to make that wager? C’mon just a few bucks. How about what you would pay to shoot 200 targets with all the options at that shoot in August? If I didn’t hit the handpays I posted you could win enough to shoot that day for free.
    BTW, I didn’t post nearly half of all the hits. I left off almost all the ones under the old handpay threshold of $1200.00
    Now it’s up to $2000.00

    $53,000 in handpays in one year. And that was just one year. Do you actually think I put 53K of my money in the slots?
    Do you have ANY idea what a win/loss statement shows? Do you know how they get to the numbers?
    Yeah, I didn’t think so.
    How about this? How much of MY money did I lose? And before you say, $22,881.86, THINK
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  34. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    Oh, well yes, that little snapshot tells the whole story. How silly of me.
    What is this Jr. HIGH??
    I'll give you one thing. You are entertaining.
     
  35. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    So you really don’t know what you are talking about.
    Got it. I told you to THINK

    Most people that have never spent much time playing don’t. They think they know, and they act like they know, but they just look silly.

    From your lack of knowledge about slots and your lack of an answer about making that bet I can only think you fit that group.

    That’s not the whole story. I have a picture somewhere that shows a different year we ran $424,000.00 plus thru one casino and won approximately $358,000 back. IF you had any idea how the win/loss statements are calculated you would know there is no way in the world that we lost $66,000.
    Sometimes, when people don’t have a clue, it’s better for them to just keep quiet.

    Again, it’s not the whole story. I have a LOT more pictures of great hits. I can PM them to you and the next time you win a trinket or a few dollars, not enough to even cover the entry fee at one of those great ata shoots, you can look at them in awe.
     
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  36. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    And it’s not Jr. high
    When my grandchildren were in Jr High they could understand what a win/loss statement was and how it was arrived at. They never acted like they knew something when they didn’t have a clue
     
  37. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    Most people know you can't beat the house. You may win here and there but overall you won't.
    The odds are always against you. That's why there are 6 to 8 decks in a blackjack shoot. And slots are the worst odds in the house. Lmao
    But if you like it better than shooting trap, that's ok.
     
  38. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Right, too bad on any table game you can’t bet $2.00 and win $2,400.00 MULTIPLE Times
    Or $2.50 and win $3,200.00, again MULTIPLE Times
    Or $5.00 and win $4,050.00 TWICE within 22 minutes
    Or, on the first spin at $10.00, a little hit of $2,100.00
     
  39. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    WTF is a Blackjack SHOOT?

    A perfect example of people acting like they know what they are talking about when they don’t know one thing about the subject. Not even a little bit. Thanks for proving my point.
    So endith the lesson
     
  40. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    The cards at the blackjack table are in a "shoe" or another name is "shute". Sorry another smart phone incident. But if u knew as much as u think, you would have understood. Casino parlor games might be a little too advanced for you. It takes a little more IQ than just pushing buttons. But I'm sure the casinos love you Flyers.
     
  41. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    Chute!!! Damn it!! :p:p
     
  42. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    I knew exactly what it was. Just pointing out how you should spell check yourself .
    And to help you out so you don’t look so silly if the topic ever comes up, some Blackjack tables have only 2 decks. Some roulette wheels have only 1 zero, most have single and a double, and the latest have a single a double and now a triple. Baccarat is the best odds. Of course if you bet as the banker sometimes you have to pay a commission. The crap table, that’s a game using dice, can be fun if you know how to bet, pass line, don’t pass line, come bets, the field bets, making your point, odds on the “hard ways”, and so on.
    But you knew all this right? I’ve been doing this for 40 years. You actually think I haven’t played almost every table game in these places?

    There it is, since I proved you don’t have the slightest idea how a casino works or how a Win/Loss statement is generated, you go to the “ you’re not smart” BS. What was that about Jr. high?

    Tell me, since YOU want me to think you know anything about gambling in a casino, which table game should I play to win $3,200.00 on a $2.50 bet? How about which game is going to pay me $11,777.30 on a $2.50 spin?
    You really think I won over $50,000.00 in one year, $48,000.00 the next year and right around $46,000.00 last year by having a low IQ?

    People with low IQ’s are the ones that open their mouths about subjects they know nothing about.

    Conveniently forgot about how this started when you said IF? My offer still stands. You bet me the cost of shooting the 200 singles at that White Elephant in ILLnews, and I’ll PM you a picture of my tax returns PROVING I won it. Then, you post that you shouldn’t have stepped in it.

    If I don’t do that, I send you a money order for whatever the event costs. Unless of course you want to increase the amount of the wager to, say $1000.00. Hell, I’ll make it anything you can afford to lose.

    I’ll wait
     
  43. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    For all your blustering on and all your insults. Nothing you have ever said or shown proves that you are beating the casino. Which is the original argument that YOU wanted to argue about.
    I made a simple post and you were offended by it. Why? Because you thought I was calling you a liar?
    I think IF you were doing as well as you say. You wouldn't be protesting so much!! Lol
    And as stupid as you try to make me look. It pales in comparison to you trying to convince anyone that you are some kinda of a casino guru that's really kicking ass.
     
  44. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    So you don’t want to bet?
     
  45. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    And I don’t have to try to make you look stupid. You have that down pretty well all on your own.
     
  46. M Johnson

    M Johnson Mega Poster

    "So you don't want to bet?"
    There's that juvenile coming out again.
    You are arguing against yourself. You made up the argument because you got your feelings hurt. I couldn't care less what you say you do or have done concerning anything.
    I understand your need to boast, brag, pat yourself on back.
    Maybe you were an abused child. Or maybe you are old and feeling like a "has been."
    Either way I don't really care.
    That being said, I have it on good authority that we like arguments on this site.
    So, I guess it's not all bad.
     
  47. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Yeah, that’s what I figured
    Cared enough to take a swipe at me but, NOW you “don’t really care”.
    AKA, “oh crap, he has the proof and I’ll look like an idiot for calling him a liar”
    Not the first time someone didn’t believe me and not the first time they used that lame
    “I don’t care” when I called them on it.
    All I did was start a thread about why I don’t miss shooting ata targets. From the pathetic numbers they get at that shoot they hold in BFN every august I’m not the only one.
    And, it’s not bragging if you can do it
     
  48. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader