Do used Caesar Guerini's lose their value quicker than........

Over the years I'll enjoyed buying, shooting for a while, and then selling my trap or skeet gun and starting over with something else, to me it's part of the game and I expect to lose a certain percentage on most sales. As long as it's not too much I consider it the cost of enjoying my hobby.
However, it seems to me that a Ceaser Guerini will lose more value quicker than a Browning, Beretta, Krieghoff. or most other brands. I’ve bought and sold a number of nice CG’s but find them a harder sale and at a bigger lose,
Would you agree or disagree? Just wondering.

 

For the most part James, I agree that they seem to suffer greater depreciation than many other brands. But I also think that there are certain regions of the country where CG has a strong following where the depreciation is no different than other brands. The premium brands ie. Krieghoff, Kolar and certainly Perazzi have always held strong resale value with some selling for more than their original cost like Perazzi TM's. In my own case the CG Magnus I bought new and sold a couple of years later depreciated significantly, so I may have a biased opinion.

 

I think that they do depreciat more. I noticed looking for
A sporting/helice gun and a ceasar guerini is on my list

 

Agree 100%. I suffered a significant loss with the resale of a Summit combo I once owned. But just as in divorce it was worth the loss.

 

I bought a new Summit in May.
Thought I was set but a used Z gun which was a bucket list gun for me came on the used market at a price I couldn't pass on.
Thought about selling the Summit but the loss I would take means it will sit in my safe as a costly back up for time being.

 

When CG decided not to sell parts to anyone and you had to send the gun back to them for anything I believe it hurt resale value. I'm not spending dollars on a gun that once I receive it may have underlying issues.

 

I didn’t Kolar’s resale value was never verified good unless something changed. Can anyone else chime in?

 

When I was at the grand last summer, the attitude at the Caesar Guerini store , was one of indifference. Other manufacturers were enthusiastic about their products. The Guerini staff seemed not to be...

It didn't exactly inspire confidence in me, as a prospective buyer...

 

Other things to think about with the CG, they have a over engineered comb system. Square aluminum peg's that slide over a round post, if you want a higher comb you not only need to buy taller post's, but the taller square pegs as well. When you go to say the Ohio State shoot all the other major manufactures are open and ready to take your business, not so with CG, they want to wait a day or so with opening. I had a problem with mine opening when firing. I took it to the Grand to have it fixed and was told it would be a couple days because the gunsmiths were all very busy with pit stops. They said it would be a few days. They should have had at least one gunsmith dedicated to emergency situations such as mine, waiting a few days for a gun while at the Grand is unacceptable. Just add up the money it cost to send your gun to them in leu of being able to just buy the parts needed gets real expensive. I will never own another CG for as long as I live! Plus the single barrel at least on the top single has a under barrel rib, very hard to install a weight if you need to slow things down a little.

 

i got one but i will never EVER have another . i bought it used . so i got a fair deal . but they are really big time ANAL about parts . i am glad to see guiliani starting to make some parts . they need to start making springs for inside them . but i imagine it is real hard to find any profit margin in making springs . so it is what it is live and learn .

 

Its too bad they have overpriced themselves. They tend to cater to the sporting market now. American trap guns just are not big ticket items for shotgun manufacturers. All of us have to ship guns for service. Even Krieghoff & Kolar have limits on what they will sell for parts. Firing pins & springs are starting to show up on the net.
To the original question: their resale falls in the dead zone price point. Buyers either look for low cost or high cost. Low cost = if it breaks buy another. High cost = perception is the quality is much better. It’s difficult to change that mindset.

 

A lot of good answers. I think ARK80 has it nailed.

 

Regarding Moes comments about the Comb adjustments: I grew tired of adjusting , turning etc etc Decided to go to a Perazzi style comb system and adjustments. Best thing I did was removing the CG comb junk. Switch and you will be pleased and adjustments stay as selected.

 

I've looked at a couple of Caesars for sale, and the finish on the receivers was mottled. It looked like the receiver was corroding, under the clearcoat.

 

"Wannabe" brands like CG & Blaser will always suffer accelerated depreciation because experienced shooters know they're not in the same league as Krieghoff, Perazzi, or even Beretta. They're basically Brownings with lipstick, at a premium gun's price. Except Brownings are more reliable.

-Roy

 

Bought a brand new CG Summit. Shot it for a little over 2 yrs. Went to trade it in to the same dealer and I was insulted by the dealer's offer. He was nice enough to explain the low price. I didn't expect a great price. Understanding how the trade in thing works but the offer was really bad.
The dealer explained that the mark up was pretty high on them, for whatever that's worth. I sold it privately and did better.
I have no complaints about the quality or performance. But the service thing was a pain. And enough for me to cross them off of my list.

 

The best value in any gun is a good, clean and well cared for used gun. It should always be worth what you paid for it . Buying from the original owner is also a big plus.

 

If we could fix the sport or put more sport in the game all guns would be worth more.

 

Interesting, I have bought a lot of new guns from a BT-99 to several Krieghoff's and I have never, not once, got what I paid for for one. But I lose more on a CG than any other brand. I would agree buying from the original owner is the way to go whenever possible.

 

To be fair, the enormous increases in MSRP that they're blaming tariffs on probably dragged the value of the used guns up a bit as well.

The fact that they told Phillip, who was installing release triggers for them on their subgauge guns because they were only equipped to do factory releases in 12ga guns, that he wasn't qualified to get parts from them so he could repair guns still blows my mind. As far as I know, there aren't any authorized gunsmiths, if you need parts or repair it MUST go back to MD.

 

Yes

 

reminds me of the 50's and 60's when europe marketed their sports cars in the usa, but didnt think out the supply chain issues. sure, you could own a bug eyed sprint....but all parts came from gb and only a handful of mechs knew how to work on them. same with every sports car imagined at the time.
remember the days when cadillac gave away renault dolphines with every purchase of a caddy just to get rid of them?

vw was the only car co. that thought it out and they thrived.
gun co's need to learn from history.

 

and i hate to bring it up but...having to send a gun to a factory for repairs is part of the one world order. its not just guns. everyone is starting to use the concept. and when you take away choices, what do you have? communism. we are protesting because usa is unique, but europe embraces this business model and is already comfortable with it. ask any k gun owner. its the same for them too.
stand by usa. you are in the sights of the hard left across the pond.