Designing a DBL's gun, maybe?

Discussion in 'Trapshooting Forum - Americantrapshooter.com' started by rookieshooter, Apr 27, 2020.

  1. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    Due to my lack of strength in both arms to handle an O/U of normal weight. Thinking of building one utilizing Beretta 686 aluminum receiver Ultralight. Remove rib and have Eubanks build another 4'' high, 12' or maybe 10'' long rib like he did on my Perazzi.
    Then get a parallel stock with thumb hole pistol grip, again like the TM1. I hear that these Ultralights kick like a mule. But the pistol grip configuration really absorbs recoil to the hand, where I can control the recoil much better, as I found out with the Perazzi. This is a must for me going after the 2nd target.
    Then have a double release made.
    It was a double release Beretta that I did well at the Grand (Vandalia), so my confidence level with the Beretta will be high.
    At this point this project is just clouds in my coffee.
    My question, has anyone shot one of these and if so was there a noticeable weight difference?

    Just added; The added height of the rib and comb is cause it's hard for me to bend neck.
     
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  2. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    Here is the 4'' steel rib on the TM1. It's 12'' long. Think I would go with a 10'' on O/U.
     

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  3. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    No matter if I acquire an o/u or not I need to add steel rib to my Rem 1100. At one time I had a red dot scope mounted to a pedestal post 15'' above barrel and shot from hip. Same with the Perazzi. But after close to 2 years of therapy I can now shoot from shoulder for a short time.
    Rib will be 4'' above barrel and about 12'' long.
    This is an old 1100 trap barrel with factory full choke that crushes targets. I have already removed the original rib and will eventually send it to Roger Eubanks to let him work his magic again making another rib like he did on the TM1.
    One day I might post pic of the steel cage that surrounds my entire cervical spinal cord...really cool looking.
    The first pic is when I was shooting with the 15'' high red dots and shooting from hip. The 2nd is the Rem 1100 after removing red dot and rib.
    The black stuff on the pistol grip is recoil dampening tape, same material that some recoil pads are made from. The recoil is absorbed in my hands instead of my shoulder and neck area.
     

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  4. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Absolutely Amazing

    I looked up the word “Dedication” and your picture came up.
     
  5. Tom in PA

    Tom in PA Active Member

    Glad to hear the strength is coming along, keep at it! Inspirational!
     
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  6. Otis B. Driftwood

    Otis B. Driftwood Active Member

    That aluminum beretta kicks like a SOB, by the time you add all the crap it’s going to weigh what you’re shooting now.
     
  7. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    It's all about balance point. Yes in stock form it will kick like a mule due to the light weight of the gun. It's my left arm that I have a problem with supporting the barrel, forend and an all steel receiver. From factory the balance is at hinge pin. Need to bring the balance point much further back. And add weight to stock so my much stronger right arm can support majority of weight. Now enter one heavier ''Stock Lock'' stock. I have one on a Perazzi . Do this on a steel receiver o/u and gun is just too heavy for my left arm.
    Now I'll have a more normal weight gun with balance point more near my RT hand coupled with the fine recoil reduction quality of the Stock lock.
     
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  8. Flyersarebest

    Flyersarebest Moderator Founding Member Forum Leader

    Just like a top notch engineer

    Strength of left arm
    Balance point
    Changing the balance point
    Strength of right arm
    Adding weight further back by using a heavier stock
    Balance point more near stronger right arm
    Already has two guns built that do exactly what wanted

    Hmmm, doesn't sound like a lot of "crap" to me. Of course I'm not the top notch engineer that is building it.
     
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  9. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    When the dude used the word ''crap'', I immediately knew he had an IQ of an empty crab shell.
     
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  10. wpt

    wpt Forum Leader Founding Member Forum Leader

    You are really an inspiration (or should be ) to many people ... Keep us posted as you progress, very interesting ... Best of Luck ... If it was a race I would be betting my money on you ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  11. Roger Coveleskie

    Roger Coveleskie State HOF Founding Member Member State Hall of Fame

    Otis is going to be our new sparta sid. Roger C.
     
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  12. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    Talked to Pat McCarthy @ Stock Lock about building me another high comb Stock Lock stock for the up coming dbl's gun.
    The first one he built was for my 4'' high short rib on my TM1. This will be for Beretta ultra light aluminum receiver o/u field gun. Weighs less then 6 lbs with 28'' barrels. But as every body says ''kicks like a mule''. But coupled with one of his stocks with the added weight moving the fulcrum point much further back towards the grip, will tame the beast.
    The factory balance point is at hinge pin.
    Pat said get the new 4'' high rib done first before he designs the stock. Roger Eubanks will remove the factory flat rib and build the 4'' high short all steel rib and re-blue the barrel.
    Hopefully this will make life a lot easier on my left arm and hand due to a Brachial Plexus injury among other things. The right hand and arm will now support the majority of weight and rt shoulder absorbing less recoil due to weight and the Stock Lock...so I hope.
     
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  13. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    After talking to Roger Eubanks about an all steel rib he he suggested an all aluminum rib built by Keen sights. Reason is the heat necessary to install a steel rib on an o/u could cause barrel separation...not good.
    So after talking to Vicky Keen about building a short 4'' high rib on top of existing rib minus the height of the original rib, they will do the work.
    If Roger Eubanks recommended them they must be good.
    My question is has anybody seen or has one of their Ribs? If so your thoughts please.
     
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  14. Ken Cerney

    Ken Cerney HOF Muscoda Gun Club Past Wisconsin Director Founding Member HOF Muscoda Gun Club

    For what I have seen Keen Sights do a very good job. This does sound like the way to go as it will reduce front end weight
     
  15. ljutic329

    ljutic329 Mega Poster Founding Member

    You could also try a K-80 aluminum receiver.
     
  16. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    K-80 makes one?
     
  17. Diesel43

    Diesel43 Active Member

    Yes. Look up Krieghoff lightweight. Higrade has one on their site.
     
  18. rookieshooter

    rookieshooter Mega Poster Forum Leader

    After researching K-80 alloy receiver guns, my finding is Beretta uses a stronger alloy. Their use of this special alloy goes back to the 1940s and was used in aircraft design, also on the face of the receiver where the shell contacts the face of the receiver, there is a strip of hardened metal. I also read where there was a problem with cracks starting to appear on the receivers of the alloy K guns. So much so that they offered steel replacement receivers.
     
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  19. Eric Mirosavich

    Eric Mirosavich Active Member

    Very very cool. Most people would just hang it up. You the man!

    just to add in another thought, Browning had an lightweight XS Feather Series as well. Alloy receiver, steel insert in breech face.
     
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  20. Reyper

    Reyper Mega Poster

    As others have commented, I commend you for your veracity in continued shooting. In regards to the Krieghoff LW receivers, I have had several throughout the years and have never had an issue with them. I believe everything is relative to the ownership/handling/care given to a firearm. I currently own a LW Bavaria grade gun signed by Anna Mack that could not be pried from me. Most everyone who handles it seems to love the feel or handling characteristics. The LW receivers will save about a pound of weight and have a titanium insert on the breach face. My gun is compatible in weight to a new Parcours k80. However, K gun barrels are heavier than Beretta or Browning barrels so it may not work for your particular situation. Now, a k80 Parcours barrel on a LW receiver may be a way to go but a little on the pricey side. Please keep us posted on the decisions and progress. Good shooting, Rey