Perazzi TMX vs KX5

Planning on upgrading from a bt99 to a tmx or kx5/Ks5 special

I mostly shoot Annie oakleys, protection and 50 bird race.

I also live in KY so I'm not around any gunsmiths and have heard perazzi tend to need repairs.

Just wanting some opinions and figured I'd make some conversation

Also if anyone has any for sale let me know.


Thanks

 

Perazzi needs no more repairs than any other gun, Kreignoff suggests a Kreigoff get yearly service that is not suggested on any other gun that I know of ... TMX, is a great gun, I have and shoot one that had been gone over completely and is like a new gun, would sell it but not cheap ... I have a Perazzi MX 2000/8 combo set for sale also, going back to shooting my Model 12, going to live and or die with it ... I invested a bunch of money in guns when I should of stayed with the one I was shooting and bought more ammunition ... Practice, practice, practice the more you do, the luckier you will get ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

TMX's have a pretty high rib that many shooters had difficulty shooting in the past. We sold a ton of 'em back when Frank Little made his mark with one and probably got back 50% of 'em on trade within a year. Recoil on the Krieghoff will be much less and the gun should be easier to shoot successfully.

 

I agree with oleolliedawg. I have shot both and could not get used to that higher rib. I have shot the KS-5 Special since 2001 along with many other brands and models, and I mean all. I still own the KS-5, and shoot it better than any other gun I have shot. I did shoot a 90-T HPAR pretty well however, but never as consistent as the KS-5. The KS-5 is considered a mid-barrel gun. Kind of in between a top, and un-single barrel.

As for the yearly service on the Krieghoff, I have had service done once. Required a new bolt, springs, and firing pin. They milled the face of the receiver also all for $325.00 at Ottsville. That was 10 years ago, and the lever is still to the right and functioning perfectly. The mainspring still feels like it did the day I received it back. Understand that with the KS-5 you are cocking the hammer with the top lever opening movement to the right, so you can feel that spring tension.

 

Kreighoffs blow up, see the older posts ... I shot a Kreighoff, that's when I switched to Perazzi ... Different strokes ... The Maker recommend yearly service, not me ... WPT ... (YAC)

 

From what I have seen, all models and makes do. Yours could just as easily be next.

 

Please post if you have a post of a Perazzi blowing up ... I have not seen one, so if you have I appreciate you pointing me in that direction ... I have personally seen several guns either blow up or see them after they did, what a mess ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Wrong again WPT. I was coaching a fellow shooter when his TMX exploded. Blew both his lenses out of his glasses. Needless to say, he soon needed a release trigger to continue shooting. Another friend blew up his TM1 at the PA State Shoot years ago, soon after breaking the first 100 Singles he asked his friends if he could borrow a gun to finish and continued with a borrowed K-80 and broke a 200. That's balls!

I've seen K-80's come in for it's first annual service 20 years after I sold it to him. It looked like it too!

 

That was the year

That was the year the SHOT Show was held in Atlanta GA. I met with Perazzi at the show, discussed the issue with them and they made a generous offer on a brand new DB81 combo at a greatly reduced price. The new owner immediately traded it in on a new K-80 (kinda still had bad vibes about Perazzis) as the story goes!

 

Thanks for all replies! Be on the look out for a kx5 or ks5 special.

 

Like I said Different Stokes, when I was selling guns, I would sell 5 P guns to every K gun , never had one complaint ... I still like my Winchester Model 12's .. WPT ... (YAC)

 

I appreciate all your input. Where I live there aren't many used trap guns around and solid advice is sometimes hard to come by.

 

When purchasing a Perazzi make sure you budget enough for a recoil system like a PFS stock. Everyone I've ever owned rocked my world.

 

If you shoot DrLongshot style "games" shells, I would buy a KX-5, if you can find one.

The "softest"shooting shotgun I have owned was a MX-15. The next few owners kept swapping stocks, and put the barrel on a SC-3 receiver trying to figure out why it shot so soft.

 

Shepherd 606,
I shot a KS5 for 5 years, lots of Annie's and protectors plus thousands of registered birds. Great guns and they hold up to "games" shells really well. The trigger is a model of simplicity. I found Krieghoff service to be excellent, but I did buy the gun new and registered it with them (not sure if that makes a difference or not). The only reason I sold the KS5 is I bought a K80 and carried the KS5 with me to every shoot FOR YEARS as a back up. Never had to use it so I finally sold it (I know, I should have kept it). I now shoot a Perazzi combo but rarely shoot games anymore. If possible, I recommend shooting whatever gun you are looking at before buying it. If you don't need a combo for doubles, the KS5 or Kx5 would be a great choice.

 

One needs to distinguish "needing repairs" in general or "needing repairs" because the Perazzi has shot a shitload of rounds. Just look at Kim Rhodes old, old Perazzi O/U. She shot like what a 1,000 rounds or more a week, and she just kept coming back to it. That is until Perazzi railed to support her shooting and Beretta stepped in to support her. I blame ... well, 'nough said.

They get repaired because they are designed to be easily repairedafter shooting 50,000 rounds.

Also, there hardy any parts in the TM guns that about the old thing needing replacement is the hammer coil spring. And, of course the action block, a standard fix, after having shot 50,000+ rounds.

I believe the K guns have a "couple" more internal parts.

WW

 

I have two TM's for sale, well will part with one of the two. One is fully engraved, ultra fancy stock and forearm with very fancy checkering, case and all. I think I posted a photo of it on here recently, will again. It would probably go for $3200.

I also have a TMS (Perazzi choke tubes) that came out of a safe after 35-40 years. I swear it has sot no more the 100 rounds. It is 99.99% with tubes, wrench, and original case. It has the striped receiver, and an engraved trigger assembly. Someone stole the forearm metal, and finding a replacement will be tough.

I am having an aerospace manufacturing company in CA make me a metal replacement. That'll probably cost me over $1,000 but I could exchange it from the other gun, only that one is fully engraved. This gun is probably one of the best of the TM's I have ever seen. Was sold recently at an estate sale.

Perazzi made a big mistake stopping production of the TM's long ago. They are probably and in my opinion one of the finest guns I have ever owned. I used mine to make the 27 in 13 months of ATA shooting. It WAS the arrow, not the Indian!!

 

Shoot them and make your choice, its a personal choice type of thing any way ... If it feels right , it probably is right for you ... I had to have an assortment of gun like every other trap shooter I know, that does not make it right ... Just do not tell your wife (if you have one) how much you really paid for them ... (that's an old trap shooter joke ) ... If a gun fits you, it will not kick you :EX; my wife shoots a Model 12, it fits her and she has no problem with recoil what so ever ... She is not a big woman and shoots it well with 3 dram loads ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Whiz,

Does your TMS, and case look like this one? The wrench is in the shadow, but it is there in the slot with the elastic holder string.

 

Yes, exactly the same case... just missing the forearm and iron. Your stock is a bit darker than mine.

Whiz

 

That is a classic.

 

I gave a TMs to one of the shooters Grand daughter several years ago, it had a solid blue mono block though ... Had all of the chokes, wrench etc but no case ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

StlFlyn: What is really the "classic" part in all of this is that the gun is in such absolute pristine condition. They guy who initially bought it, did not know much about Perazzi's, and he saw the gun at the auction. No one bid on it and he got it for little bit of nothing. He asked me if I'd buy it from him because he was clueless about getting what was missing. I paid him probably more than I should have. If I have to pay $1,000 or more, it's be one of the all effort-no profit deals.

Whiz

 

That one I have pictured I rebuilt the bolt, and put in new springs. The metal was real close to 100% yet with very little wear. I refinished the stock. What I really liked about this gun is everything was original. No Porting, or barrel work. The outside of the case had some scuffs and hacks, but for the age was pretty good.

So hard to find these in original factory condition, with everything there. Something about those barred receivers and limited production including the MT-6, that makes them even more, "Classic" IMO.

 

I am not one of the people who like the choke tubes and or porting, its a personal thing, nothing more ... I do not need another excuse when I miss a target, or something to think about while shooting other than the Target itself ... I do not reload so I do not concern my self with the shells or think about a possible misfire if it was a reload, not that new shells do not from time to time misfire but it seems to be less frequently ...
There are several to many things that can distract a shooter if or when they happen, I feel I have eliminated the majority of them when I apply my past experiences over the last 40 plus years of shooting ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

Consider looking at the Kolar TS. They are built like a bank vault and have a good balance.

 

I test drove a Kolar/Combo one time, felt very heavy in the front for some reason ... There was no additional weights or anything added to the gun that was obvious ... It was an unsingle which is not my cup of tea also, had an MX 2000 un single/ combo and was never sure if I was going to hit or miss the target so I sold it and got an MX 2000/8 combo with a top single ... I like the top single but never shoot the over/under barrels so I have that for sale also ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

The stripped receiver Perazzi singles were Competition IV's. The Winchester TMS's had tapered ribs with tubes.

 

TMX is a flat shooter. Cover the bird or raise the stock for caps.