2019 State & Satellite Grand Handicap Championship Event

So far in 2019 the 27 yard shooters are not dominating the state and satellite grand handicap championship event. But look at what the young shooters are doing.

 

They have won 33% of the events, and they are only 10% of of the different yardage groups. Pretty significant showing is it not? Roger C.

 

9 winners from 27 yards does not meet my definition of dominating. I am impressed that 48% of the winners are SJ, JR and JRG.
I also see I have a typo for New Jersey. The category should be blank and not 98 - sorry.

 

Garry what other yardage group came close to the 27 yarders percentage? Roger C.

 

Some of those states have very few 27 yd. shooters participating. Not a true indication.

 

The percentages do not tell the entire story, how many of the shorter yardage shooters played all of the money is the real question … The long yardage shooters are there for their pay day and they only care that they shoot good enough to make some money, pay expenses … I was at a shoot in Vegas, Joe Lyutic sat with us at the dinner table, I asked how he is doing said he has not won a single event but has won $33,000 so far and that it was his job … "Has not won a single event" but was up $33,000 those are the numbers that matter and it was $33,000 less for lesser shooters to win … The Big time shooters are not shooting for more trophy's, they are there for the Money, one exception to that would of been Leo Harrison he wanted both the money and the trophy … He was the Biggest Winner … WPT … (YAC) …

 

My chart is not about money since many on this site say there is no money in trapshooting anymore. My post is about the comment that current 27 yard shooters are dominating the handicap.

 

Roger, you know that the objective of a handicap system is to equal the odds of winning among the contestants as much as possible. My chart shows that 27 yard shooters won 9 out of 27 state or satellite grands. 18 shooters, (66%), won state or satellite grands from 19 to 26.5 yards. My conclusion based on 78 years of GAH history and the 2019 YTD history shown above, is the current handicap system is working fairly well in distributing the winners among the yardage groups.

 

eg. MS has over 100 registered shooters and only 4 shoot from the 27-one of whom only shot 100 targets. These figures are quite meaningless.

 

Garry, your system is flawed. 85 to 90% of the 27 yard shooters are not capable of winning. So you have 10 to 15% of shooters that are winning 33% of the events.
I have nothing against long yardage shooters winning. I was one of them for many years. BUT our sport is in trouble, if we must put more pressure on the best shooters to help let least capable among us and to bring new shooters into the fold, than so be it. Lets get it done. Roger C.

 

GA has over 300 active shooters and only 13 stand on the 27. Meaningless stats.

 

Garry, You failed to mention how many shooters stood on the 18 to 26.5 yard lines. Add them up and then compare the total to the 10 to 15% of shooters that are capable of winning from the 27 yard line. This will give you the numbers that you need to make a judgement on how the system is working. Roger C.

 

Guy's I already told you that I don't have access to the data to answer your questions. And I don't have a system. I am only reporting historical information on what yardage 78 GAH winners were shooting from and the yardage the winners the were shooting from at the 2019 shoots listed in my chart above.

Do you or do you not agree that the current handicap system is working fairly well in distributing the winners by yardage groups among the 78 GAH and the 2019 shoots liste above ?

 

I have not heard a good reason why WPT's and my proposal of changing from a handicap event to a 27 yard singles event with classes based on averages would not solve most of the real or perceived problems with the current handicap system.

I don't hear shooters complaining about singles or doubles. A 27 yard singles event with classes seems like it would give everyone in their class a better chance of winning their 27 class.

 

Garry, 27 yard singles is not an answer. The can of worms that would open would be a night mare.. That is something the EC might think up it is so outlandish.
If you are set on making the handicap game as near as possible to equal. get with the ADD yardage group, most of the shooters that I know are 27 yard shooters and they will tell you adding yardage will be a very good start.
Wider angles, and properly set targets by the RULE BOOK . Not what Joe blow likes. Roger C.