Well I'm losing my home Trap Field.

Well the local CG has decided that everyone needed to register their firearms to use the Ft. Bliss Rod and Gun Club. Match directors are rushing to find a place to hold their matches. Ducks Unlimited has moved their match from Ft. Bliss to another area club. We have heard from those in New Mexico that they have no intention of attending our matches as long as this new Reg is in force. Our match is up in the air and is probably dead. I like many others are stuck with Trap Cards @ $80 each that are useless unless we want to register our guns.

Is the Club on Ft. Bliss property. Yes it is but it's not within the fence line, In fact there are no gate guards to access the club from city roadways. There are over 2200 dues paying members (most are civilians, retired military and veterans) plus Life Members and daily civilian use of the range. We have a Pro Shop, Restaurant, Bar, meeting rooms and big screen TV's to keep the shooter happy after a day on the range. Things are not well here in West Texas.

 

Sorry, but government has the tendency to come back and bite you in the butt when you are not looking. I would suspect it is a ploy to rid the reservation of the gun club. We have lost several gun clubs where I live on government land since 9/11. If anyone's club is on government land, it will only be a matter of time.

 

I guess if the Pro shop remains open, everybody can sit around, drink beer and complain about how the BOD and EC of the ATA ruined trapshooting by reducing the angles of the birds and failed to add 3 yards of concrete.

 

Isn't the ATA's home club on government land?

 

Do'h

 

Good point 357. The WSC may fall to that sort of thing also.

 

I have a very good friend who lives in Illinois, has been involved in politics for most of his life and he says that the Governor is going to make a fly over and see what all of the hoop la is all about .... Those that are there better make it look extremely busy and full of people if they want to put on a good show for the Governor ... He was not sure what day its supposed to happen or if the Governor will land and drop in or not, so there you have it ... Make sense in a weird kind of way ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

LadyT,
Can we safely assume that the rule to register your guns is a club only rule, if this is so do you know what prompted the club to make/enforce this new rule. Just curious as to why the sudden change.

 

He's still going to ask why it's losing over a million bucks a year.

 

This new Reg came down either from the CG or someone above him. Regardless the club will be empty soon. People will lose jobs and money that used to go into the MWR fund won't thereby hurting programs that help the Soldiers and their Family's on Post. Not a single person has found out why. I could see it if we were inside the Post Fence Line but we are not. It's also a choice of the CG to do this.


My costs just skyrocketed from $3.65 per 25 targets when you buy a 10 pack of trap cards to $6 per 25 plus a doubling of mileage and without the bar,pro shop, restaurant and days open to shoot.

 

LadyT,
The question I asked was do you know what prompted the action was there an incident at the club, local area or do you think this the result of the atmosphere presently in the country. Not trying to be obstintant just would like to know. Thanks

 

Careful. Oleo will insult you for thinking $6.00 a round is high.

 

It's the going rate.

 

Don't make it not high.

$6.00 for the round, $6.00 for the shells. That's $12 for 10 minutes of easy targets. $12 isn't insignificant.

 

Wednesdays at Vienna I pay $3.00 for a round. We shoot a slightly wider angle and 51 yard targets.

You do not have to tell me I am fortunate. You do not have to tell me it may not be here sometime. I am more fortunate to be around people that understand what it takes to make the sport successful.

 

Smoking357,

Maybe those who cannot afford it should take up bowling or get government to regulate it.

 

Let's see,

33.00 a hundred times 3.........99.00 for targets, 100 singles, 100 handicap, and 50 doubles
7.oo in daily fees........................7.00
12 boxes of shells @6.00.........72.00 for cheap shells at that. Cost would be 96.00 for Preimum
Options anyone?.....................60.00 for Lewis and class/yardage purses @ 10.00 each
So targets, shells, entry fees. 238.00 Not counting gas and meals.

Just one day's worth of shooting at a typical ATA and people say we are losing shooters because the game is too easy?

 

Bad attitude.

The states that are paying the least in fees have worked to make the sport more interesting. They have found the recipe for creating more demand for targets. The more demand the more cheaply targets can be distributed. The cheaper they are distributed the cheaper the cost.

If we lose shooters prices go up.

Except for CO? Is it possible we could get AZCO to enlighten us on how they came to be so successful.

How does your business work so well?

 

Hey, that's in Youngstown. Ever go to the Jib-Jab?

 

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Why should you have to shoot 100 shells? Toughen up the sport, and 50 target matches will settle the matter.

$6.00 for shells.

$5.00 for a round.

X2 = $22.00

If this is Wobble, that's a fun and affordable recreational activity.

 

50 targets?

Not worth getting in my Caddy, driving 30-40 miles for.

If you kids can't afford to play, stay home, learn how to knit.

 

Vienna is not in Youngstown. North of Youngstown. They quit with the registered thing after the Grand moved. They throw targets Wednesdays 10-3 full go on 2 traps. They would open 4 if needed.

I see 20-50 shooters there at a time. Maybe 4 of us shoot registered on occasion.

Jib Jab is just west of Youngstown in Girard. That is the stop on the way home.

 

And you say I have a bad attitude with a bs post like this?

 

Absolutely, it is. Your perception is warped by a lifetime of high target averages.

Your heads might be warped, too, if you have a Northstar.

Horrible attitude.

I'm a price-sensitive shooter.

It's not B.S. It's correct. Numbers talk. If Ohio puts up the shooters, they should have a bigger say.

 

Smoking,

Isn't the same issue as with target settings? With the exception of The Grand, ATA does not dictate the programs, the cost, the options, only the daily fees towards ATA. Once again, it is a local issue which you as a customer has to change.

 

And that is why you should leave and forget about the ATA, it is not set up that way and because it is, the other members will not let it be.

Your wasting your time and everybody else's proposing something that will never happen.

 

$3.50 here. Targets in the air pay the bills.

Why spend alotta money shooting simple az targets?

 

I am not knocking AZ or CO targets. Nor do I care for Intl shooting. Different arguments.

 

Hate to see a club close.

This thread has sure taken some twists and turns.

 

Just what do you think I'm proposing?

 

I don't really know, doubt you do either. Your the one saying more populous states need more representation.

 

A question many are trying to figure out. The only incident I can think of in the 14 years I've been shooting there was when one of the archery folks shot themselves in the thigh with an arrow. That's another mystery too.

 

They do.

Where do you see me proffering any "proposal?"

 

Your post, listed here as #24, which I quoted. It has been brought up before, you were repeating it.

 

Yep, no "proposal" there.

 

So you retract your statement, States with more shooters should not have greater representation?

 

It might be time to promote funding a new club. 2200 members is considerable.

 

You're very confused.

Of course, states with more shooters should have greater representation.

Of course, the new Z06 Corvette is a fine car.

Find the proposal in either statement.

 

Well if the talk comes to fruition then there will be a new 4600 acre gun club here catering to all of the shooting sports but for now it's just a discussion. Something will have to be done as the other club in town has been surrounded by development and it's only a matter of time before it's sold or something happens. The opportunity has presented itself so we shall see if anyone picks up the ball and runs with it.

 

Lady T,

You talkin' Texas?

 

Smoking357,

I came to that conclusion a long time ago that you are very confused.

Proposal or statement, does not matter, it is not going to happen. Form your new association. In fact, let's form a half dozen or more, the more the merrier. I will joint as many as I can so there are more registered shoots every weekend.

And don't worry about being confused, many people of every day life are.

 

hey how about you folks stop hijacking the thread

 

yes

 

I came to the conclusion that you really struggle to understand what I write. I am really trying to ATA my responses to help you along.

Your great problem is that you can't read with an open mind. You are always holding a position in mind as you read, causing you to miss a great deal.

 

Lady T,

Texas is fine with me.

 

Smoking 357,

Maybe you have a problem speaking your mind clearly?

 

Your not doing a very good job.

What is meant by your above statement??
".....trying to ATA my responses....."

 

smoking357,
Type slower maybe he will be able to understand it then ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

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Should be as its only a few hours away. Tucson is closer to me then San Antonio is.

 

Great talk our friends in Ohio into it and it will get done.

 

El Paso is an arguable place for an annual meet. It's usually dry with clear sky, and Juarez is right there for entertainments not available in the U.S.

El Paso late in the year is very attractive.

 

A point I made in discussions about building a new range. Having another Satellite Grand in October prior to the Autumn Grand in Tucson in November. Would not only benefit ATA but the shooters giving them a chance to get their registered targets in over a shorter time span.

 

Why just have another satellite grand. Why not 10 more? Grand of the week?

The name grand is so used and whored out it has no value.

 

Now there is a great idea to get people to come out and shoot. Give them all a joint.

I know that I would have to be smoking something to decide to drive 10 hours one way to get to Sparta.

Flyersarebest

 

It's $3.00 here for targets, Walmart Shells about $21.50 per 100

 

So why don't you register your gun with the gun club and keep shooting there? Isn't your gun purchase thru an FFl registered? Are you a felon?

 

It is a 16 hour drive me and would be much more to Vandalia.

 

Guns are not registered in Texas

 

Is this how you say hello by accusing someone of being a felon with your first post.

 

Are cars registered in Texas?

 

I've never placed anyone on ignore until today. Congrats Dave S you are the first person I've ever placed on ignore.

 

Ditto

 

Should they be? Is your television registered? Are your towels registered?

Kind of an anti-freedom comment from you.

 

Seriously Dave, that is the the oldest line used by those who want more gun control, "guns should be registered like cars are."

The difference is and many don't understand it, the Second Amendment is a protected right to bear arms and it is not to be infringed. Infringed meaning zero hinderence or transgression.

Having a drivers license is a privilege and owning a car or driving is on public streets is not a right specified on our Constitution. The biggest reason for vehicle registration is to assess and collect taxes on them.

 

Well we got some good news today. During a State of the Military Address today in El Paso the CG of Ft. Bliss said this:


At the end of his 40-minute talk, Twitty also announced that he is seeking a waiver to Army regulations that would have required gun owners who use the Fort Bliss Rod and Gun Club to register their weapons there.

Twitty cited the "unique circumstances" surrounding the club, which is on Fort Bliss property but is not part of the gated, secured part of the installation.

Right now, any changes to the club's policy that would have required gun registration have been put on hold and are being reviewed, Twitty said.

 

It sounds like the Post Commander just found out that his actions have ramifications. Careers can be shot down the tubes for these types of things. Well done to those who shoot there.