Membership question

Should the ATA change the word "membership" to "permit" ????????????

"permit" ..... "give authorization or consent to (someone) to do something" ..... https://www.google.com/search?q=permit definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

Most "Gun Clubs" allow "non-members" to shoot ..... the ATA does not allow this when a "Gun Club" hosts an ATA format Event under the ATA's control .....

So, what the current ATA does amounts to nothing more than a "permit", "give authorization or consent to (someone) to do something" ..... And most "Gun Clubs" understand the value of a "Club Member", and the cost of NOT allowing "non-Club Members" to shoot ..... So, when will these "Gun Clubs" wake up to what the ATA is currently costing them, by the requiring a ATA "permit" for some of their "shoots" ???????????

I can be an active member of a "host club", and be restricted from shooting because I need a ATA "permit" ..... time for some to wake up, or Clubs to start building more Sporting Clays Courses, where a ATA "permit" is NOT required to participate .....

 

User 1: "Most "Gun Clubs" allow "non-members" to shoot ..... the ATA does not allow this when a "Gun Club" hosts an ATA format Event under the ATA's control ...."

N1H1 "Total, complete nonsense!"

Clearly, User 1 doesn't know a single thing about registered shooting as I have been warning readers here about for years. He's just a know-nothing fool, as I have also warned readers here about for years.

If anyone here actually shoots ATA trap, fill him in, will you?

N1H1

 

That is more than funny being from you ol'N1H1 .......

Why ask others to do something you are not smart enough to do ????????

 

Readers here:

The ATA has no prohibition against non-members or non-competitors shooting at a club when a registered shoot is going on. They cannot shoot in the same squad as registered shoots competing in a registered shot (except in a "Big 55.) I suppose a club could have a "Championship 1-oz four-hole National Series" event this coming Labor Day as we were promised and I guarantee you, the ATA would neither care nor try to prevent it.

It's as simple as that. User1 does not know what he is talking about. It's also as simple as that.

N1H1

 

As a side note ...... why the use of quotation marks on your own reply ?????? ...... "Total, complete nonsense!" Eating too many crayons today ??????

Anyway, I guess since I "cannot shoot in the same squad" with my long time friends at the Cardinal Center last week as a non-ATA member ...... that would be "prohibition" wouldn't it ??????

Many small one and two trap Clubs stopped "registered shoots", because the Club was not large enough for "everyone" to shoot, forcing those who "cannot shoot in the same squad" to stand around or go home ..... You would know that if you would remove your head out of your ass long enough to look around .......

 

Don't give up yet ol'N1H1 ...... As you like to tell others ......

From ol'N1H1 ...... "Clearly, FG, you are just a lightweight in a heavyweights' league."

"Don't blame the guy who beat you; it reflects badly on you, not him."

 

You have to be a member of SCTP to compete in their shoots.
You have to be a member of 4H to compete in their shoots.
You have to be a member of FFA to compete in their shoots.
You have to be a member of American Rimfire Association to compete in their shoots.
You have to be a member of...…………

 

I totally disagree here, At the Airport gun club during the zone shoot, there was skeet shooting going on, on the far southend and the club was forced to havem stop shooting or the shooting of ATA targets was going to stop, the Owners were told there is an ATA rule requiring only ATA shooting weas allowed on THEIR SHOOT DATES, I personally witnessed it and what was said, Dean Townsend of the ATA Central Hdcp Committee said it.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

GB................................DLS

 

Yea, being an actual "member" is a great thing .....

Being a subject in a oligarchy that requires a permit, not so much .....

 

Mr Townsend was wrong. No such rule has ever existed as far as I know.

 

Longshot, I don't believe you.

If this were true, which it isn't, the club would have asked to see the "rule," There is no such rule, of course, and this post is a specific challenge to you and user1 to cite the rule which does not exist.

N1H1

 

Oh come on, Iowa guy. Dean was not "wrong." It never happened. it's just ls one of Longshot's fantasy trips again.

N1H1

 

Now that was funny!

 

Here is your one and only warning from me ol'N1H1 ...... Provide your PROOF it never happened, or apologize to Dr Longshot ..... That is your only two choices in this matter ......

I will not wait long for either of your choices ......

 

That's not right, user1. What you and long shot need do is cite the rule. You should have known that before you started this nonsensical thread, of course, but you are a total know-nothing and I suppose that accounts for it. Look, confidentially between the just the two of us, OK? You know you can't believe a words LS says, don't you? I have an uneasy feeling he thinks what he writes is true, but you and I know better, right?

I wonder if this is asserted to have happened when someone claimed that he owned the Airport Gun Cub and the real owner was represented to me as saying that he would burn it down before that someone would ever get it.

N1H1

 

You said Dr. Longshot told a lie, prove it or apologize ..... that is simple enough for even you to understand ......

Time is ticking ..... don't waste it ..... a posting vacation is in your near future ......

 

Careful children. Sir Neil's opinion is absolutely correct. Non-ATA shooters can shoot at other traps, skeet houses or sporting clays courses while an ATA sanctioned event is going on. They cannot squad together with registered participants. That does not mean the rule was interpreted incorrectly by shoot management.

 

Only at a large enough club to have available traps and help to do so ......

My point from my first post,that I have not changed, and ol'N1H1 tried to twist, is I can not shoot on the "program traps" at a shoot like was just at the Cardinal Center last week, without a ATA permit ....

 

I shot quite a bit at Clark Co. Sportsman in Springfield, Ohio years ago and there was always Skeet. shooting going on.


Regards.....Gerald

 

Not completely correct either. You can have a two trap club in Timbuctoo IA (you know, the ones Harlan Campbell always competes at) and only generate 3 ATA shooters. The other trap can throw 3-hole 52 yd. targets and be full of locals who care little of something called ATA.

 

Jeez, user1! You are no different from LS and his multiple tall tales.

Your wrote, in you OP post in this thread "

"Most "Gun Clubs" allow "non-members" to shoot ..... the ATA does not allow this when a "Gun Club" hosts an ATA format Event under the ATA's control .....

And that's not true. It's as simple as that. It's a lie. As is most of what shows up on the website. I only post here to help unfortunates who mught land here by mistake thinking that the interest here is trapshooting when it's got nothing to do with actual trapshooting and a all about what can happen on the liars club, also know as the internet. They should notice that I can't even use my real name (though it's clear enough) and hardly anyone else here does.

N1H1

 

I want to thank the other posters here who have supported my view.

N1H1

 

What makes this not "completely correct" ????? Only at a large enough club to have available traps and help to do so ......

 

User 1 if you wanted to shoot with your friends why didn't you buck up and join the ata, problem solved.

 

Obviously "large enough" pertains to any club with more than one trap.

 

Not really ...... I have been at 4 trap clubs that had enough "registered shooters" to use all 4 traps, all day, to shoot singles, different handicap yardage squads, and some doubles .....

 

That works ..... I have tried it ..... Thanks

 

"some doubles" usually means two traps were set for doubles at the end of the day. That can also mean two traps were available for non-registered singles shooters while the doubles event concludes. Smart club operators take every dollar their fields can generate. I was always known as a smart club operator.

 

I still fail to see the basis for discontent here. From July 14 through the 21 one had to be a member of SCTP to shoot at Cardinal Canter. How does that differ from sanctioned ATA competitions where one has to be a member to compete? On those days, or sometimes just on those fields, one has to be a member of an NGB to compete. How on earth is that hurting non members?

 

The "basis for discontent" would be you are no longer a "member" of the ATA ..... you are more like a subject under their strict control ..... you have no voice at meetings, the opinions of the majority are of no concern to the ATA, and so on .....

As some have beat to death, without getting through, a "Life Membership" started as something of value, to be later taken away be a few self-serving people ...... Any type of current ATA membership seems to be nothing more than a "daily pass" that a Theme Park or Zoo would require .....

 

It certainly seems like a reasonable explanation.

 

This happened 50 years ago and you're blaming the current ATA leadership.

And the way the Non ATA participant rule was explained to me several years ago was that a club could insert squads of non ATA members on the Program traps. The two just could not shoot on the same squads.

Oleolliedawg, you should have come to the IA state shoot this year. Just down the road from Timbuctoo. We had slightly more than 3 shooters and threw wide & fast targets. Just ask anyone that was there. Can you think left of straight from post 5!!!!

So anyone that says a PAT can't throw a 3 hole target hasn't ever tried it.

I'm not going to get into why it happened that way, it just did.

 

"I only post here to help unfortunates who mught land here by mistake thinking that the interest here is trapshooting when it's got nothing to do with actual trapshooting"

Dysinger was right!